Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

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In nine of the past 24 months there have been more than 500 staff officially not working, either on paid special leave or on strike during the pandemic

https://twitter.com/thetimes/status/1504504169021034503?s=21

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Ssssssh don't criticise them their supporters are watching and waiting to defend them and thier endless backlogs of driving applications, especially crippling the bus and Lorry driving industry.

As soon as thier back I'm sure fresh industrial action will follow.

I'd not be shocked if the government moves work out of the unit.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

No idea why this is still going on as almost everybody else is either working from home or back in offices by now.

Is it separated out to show the different periods, I have worked through the pandemic but I know plenty of people (mostly private as majority of public sector were either seen as 'key workers' or had the capability to do their job from home) who were paid by the taxpayer to sit on their arse for months (and quite often to take up other jobs getting 2 salaries) so it wasn't uncommon then.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Ssssssh don't criticise them their supporters are watching and waiting to defend them and thier endless backlogs of driving applications, especially crippling the bus and Lorry driving industry.

As soon as thier back I'm sure fresh industrial action will follow.

I'd not be shocked if the government moves work out of the unit.

If you cared about crippling the lorry industry you wouldn't have devoted your life over the last 5 years to becoming ccmb's chief Brexit cheerleader.

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

If you cared about crippling the lorry industry you wouldn't have devoted your life over the last 5 years to becoming ccmb's chief Brexit cheerleader.

They were taking industrial action way before then , and I voted to remain however accepted the democratic decisions just like the strike actions we see at places like DVLA , London Transport etc etc .

The issue HGV shortages are everywhere In world and existing way before Brexit both here and in Europe perhaps it is an opportune to take Industrial Action .

Ono top of this we has a pandemic and work form home which created 29,545 driving licence backlog , knowing Brexit would impact plus Covid why would you add Industrial Action

Hope its not politically motivated as working folk are trying to improve their lives by becoming a Driver .

There are things happening that are not Brexit related

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

How the HGV driver shortage is affected other countries
Poland

The scale of the shortage in Poland is believed to be 124,000, according to data from 2020 compiled by Transport Intelligence.

Germany

Germany was missing between 45,000 and 60,000 HGV drivers last year. It has been predicted that could rise to 185,000 by 2027.

France

France has been facing a shortage of around 43,000 drivers since 2019, Transport Intelligence says.

Italy

There is an estimated shortfall of around 15,000 drivers in Italy, since 2019.

Spain

In Spain the estimate is 15,340, figures from 2020 show.

Scandinavia

Sweden is facing a 5,000 shortfall, Norway 3,000 and Denmark 2,500 – although data has not been reported since 2017 in those countries.

[JamesWales]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

How the HGV driver shortage is affected other countries
Poland

The scale of the shortage in Poland is believed to be 124,000, according to data from 2020 compiled by Transport Intelligence.

Germany

Germany was missing between 45,000 and 60,000 HGV drivers last year. It has been predicted that could rise to 185,000 by 2027.

France

France has been facing a shortage of around 43,000 drivers since 2019, Transport Intelligence says.

Italy

There is an estimated shortfall of around 15,000 drivers in Italy, since 2019.

Spain

In Spain the estimate is 15,340, figures from 2020 show.

Scandinavia

Sweden is facing a 5,000 shortfall, Norway 3,000 and Denmark 2,500 – although data has not been reported since 2017 in those countries.

Facts don't matter. Brexit is bad. Twitter told me so.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

They were taking industrial action way before then , and I voted to remain however accepted the democratic decisions just like the strike actions we see at places like DVLA , London Transport etc etc .

The issue HGV shortages are everywhere In world and existing way before Brexit both here and in Europe perhaps it is an opportune to take Industrial Action .

Ono top of this we has a pandemic and work form home which created 29,545 driving licence backlog , knowing Brexit would impact plus Covid why would you add Industrial Action

Hope its not politically motivated as working folk are trying to improve their lives by becoming a Driver .

There are things happening that are not Brexit related

Maybe people aren't happy with decades of stagnant pay and price increases? You were very tongue in cheek in the thread about house prices but honestly if you can't see what we are sleepwalking towards then you must have a very feathered nest yourself or your head in the sand.
For the average person life is significantly tougher than it was even a few months ago. You can't explain away the dog eat dog capitalist society for the rich and at the same deride the poorer people for using everything they have in their armoury to create a better life for themselves.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Facts don't matter. Brexit is bad. Twitter told me so.

Good tactic, pretend everybody who disagrees with you isn't well informed.

Facts are great but only with context. The context missing being that drivers and other economic migrants weren't only coming to the UK once there was a surplus domestically in their specialism, in the main they were coming because they could earn more and create what they believed to be a better life. So whilst the driver shortage is a fact, it's pretty irrelevant in this case. What is relevant is that Brexit red tape made EU migrants feel less secure and the emboldening of xenophobic attitudes, made EU migrants feel less welcome.

[JamesWales]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Good tactic, pretend everybody who disagrees with you isn't well informed.

Facts are great but only with context. The context missing being that drivers and other economic migrants weren't only coming to the UK once there was a surplus domestically in their specialism, in the main they were coming because they could earn more and create what they believed to be a better life. So whilst the driver shortage is a fact, it's pretty irrelevant in this case. What is relevant is that Brexit red tape made EU migrants feel less secure and the emboldening of xenophobic attitudes, made EU migrants feel less welcome.

I dont think everyone who disagrees with me isn't well informed at all.

However, you are mistaking your opinion with facts. And they are very different things.

The number of EU migrants increased every year since the brexit vote, albeit at a slower pace.

Equally, as clearly stated here: "in June 2021, payrolled employments of non-EU nationals were 186,000 above the pre-pandemic level at 2.23 million"

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/payrolled-employments-in-the-uk-by-region-industry-and-nationality-from-july-2014-to-june-2021/payrolled-employments-in-the-uk-by-region-industry-and-nationality-from-july-2014-to-june-2021

Also, here: The fall in UK HGV drivers nearly four times greater than the fall in EU drivers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58967177

The reality is, that like most scenarios, a small but vocal group of people who refuse to accept reality are twisting everything to try and suit their agenda.

Not every crisis that occured when we were in the EU was because we were in the EU. Not every crisis that occurs now we have left is because we have left.

All you are doing is spreading total myths and aside from being disingenuous, that does nothing to solve a problem that you profess to care about.

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Maybe people aren't happy with decades of stagnant pay and price increases? You were very tongue in cheek in the thread about house prices but honestly if you can't see what we are sleepwalking towards then you must have a very feathered nest yourself or your head in the sand.
For the average person life is significantly tougher than it was even a few months ago. You can't explain away the dog eat dog capitalist society for the rich and at the same deride the poorer people for using everything they have in their armoury to create a better life for themselves.

Ironically unions like DVLA and London Trains are effecting those very lowly paid people on stagnant pay as they cant to work or a HGV licence you'd think after the awful effects of the pandemic on peoples l lives they just draw a breath be glad to be back at work getting services going clear the backlogs to make peoples lives better other than themselves who in the main are well paid compared to minimum wage folk , and then yes then go on strike

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

I dont think everyone who disagrees with me isn't well informed at all.

However, you are mistaking your opinion with facts. And they are very different things.

The number of EU migrants increased every year since the brexit vote, albeit at a slower pace.

Equally, as clearly stated here: "in June 2021, payrolled employments of non-EU nationals were 186,000 above the pre-pandemic level at 2.23 million"

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/payrolled-employments-in-the-uk-by-region-industry-and-nationality-from-july-2014-to-june-2021/payrolled-employments-in-the-uk-by-region-industry-and-nationality-from-july-2014-to-june-2021

Also, here: The fall in UK HGV drivers nearly four times greater than the fall in EU drivers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58967177

The reality is, that like most scenarios, a small but vocal group of people who refuse to accept reality are twisting everything to try and suit their agenda.

Not every crisis that occured when we were in the EU was because we were in the EU. Not every crisis that occurs now we have left is because we have left.

All you are doing is spreading total myths and aside from being disingenuous, that does nothing to solve a problem that you profess to care about.

Nothing is based on anything but hatred other than scum evil Tories , strangely labour voters wanted it as well

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Facts don't matter. Brexit is bad. Twitter told me so.

Well, I’m seeing barely anything saying Brexit is good, even from Johnson’s hand picked Cabinet of Leavers, maybe Twitter has a point?

[JamesWales]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Well, I’m seeing barely anything saying Brexit is good, even from Johnson’s hand picked Cabinet of Leavers, maybe Twitter has a point?

At this stage, it's largely irrelevant. The point is that the number of EU citizens has increased year on year since the vote and is greater im 2021 than it was pre-pandemic.

So this idea of Brexit causing a mass exodus and thus causing a shortage of lorry drivers is demonstrably incorrect.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

I dont think everyone who disagrees with me isn't well informed at all.

However, you are mistaking your opinion with facts. And they are very different things.

The number of EU migrants increased every year since the brexit vote, albeit at a slower pace.

Equally, as clearly stated here: "in June 2021, payrolled employments of non-EU nationals were 186,000 above the pre-pandemic level at 2.23 million"

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/payrolled-employments-in-the-uk-by-region-industry-and-nationality-from-july-2014-to-june-2021/payrolled-employments-in-the-uk-by-region-industry-and-nationality-from-july-2014-to-june-2021

Also, here: The fall in UK HGV drivers nearly four times greater than the fall in EU drivers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-58967177

The reality is, that like most scenarios, a small but vocal group of people who refuse to accept reality are twisting everything to try and suit their agenda.

Not every crisis that occured when we were in the EU was because we were in the EU. Not every crisis that occurs now we have left is because we have left.

All you are doing is spreading total myths and aside from being disingenuous, that does nothing to solve a problem that you profess to care about.

How needlessly sanctimonious, par for the course though.

All you have proved so far is that the economy was relying on a year on year increase in migrant labour, which we now aren't getting and 'shock horror' now there is a problem.

As for a decline in UK drivers. I never said it was the single source of the problem, I said LOM might want to reassess his position on hard Brexit if he cares about this stuff.

I'd imagine lorry drivers left their jobs because they felt their pay wasn't worth their time.

On reflection, is it better if a disgruntled workforce strikes to ensure their conditions and pay are fair or just quit to leave a gaping hole, answers on a postcard...