Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

[JamesWales]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

My point is that it is good etiquette to clarify when content posted is not one's own.

I agree. It's also daft. It verifies the post, gives it more weight and allows others to copy and paste it should they so wish.

[The Bloop]

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I agree. It's also daft. It verifies the post, gives it more weight and allows others to copy and paste it should they so wish.

It's also good to know who I'd be replying to - the writer or the poster.

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

See, first it's 'we are all in this pandemic together', then it's 'careful, we are in a recession', then it's going to be 'if you don't want your job, someone else will have it'. There will always be a reason for you to tell workers to doth their cap and accept their lot.

Out of interest, what do you currently do for a living?

Giglo

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

My point is that it is good etiquette to clarify when content posted is not one's own.

Your right, speaking for myself I just didn't think it was that critical


I see an article and think it's of interest so I share.

I am trying to do better though .

There goes the thrust of the topic, so does it matter?

[jon1959]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Giglo

The gig economy eh?

At the low end?

Life can be shit!

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Your right, speaking for myself I just didn't think it was that critical


I see an article and think it's of interest so I share.

I am trying to do better though .

There goes the thrust of the topic, so does it matter?

A number of posters have stated in this thread that it does matter and they have stated the reasons why.

[TWGL1]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

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In an exam that would be acceptable, however un unofficial football whereby people offer their opinions it may not be needed ?

If you think it should why on earth have you wasted 7,500 posts in your spare time

Why don’t you tell your friends about the pesky posters of a football message board who don’t post links to a topic ( people like me just post for a bit of fun and have more important things to worry about )

Half the time I post off a cell phone which exacerbates the problem

[Eric Cartman]

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Whoosh

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

Another copy and paste job by LoM. https://inews.co.uk/news/hgv-driver-...the-uk-1231010

Of course it is ??

I simply don't hide that fact , others simply compile responses in their own words dragged from the very same media outlets something I am honest about as I do struggle with composing eloquent responses in the correct grammar and details' .

Anyway back to the point and away from the goalpost move the detail I posted seem to show HGV shortage Europe not just the UK that has nothing to do with Brexit , do you have a eloquent view on why , I hope they weren't using cheap eastern European labour as well and now drivers want a fair wage and conditions ???????

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

In an exam that would be acceptable, however un unofficial football whereby people offer their opinions it may not be needed ?

If you think it should why on earth have you wasted 7,500 posts in your spare time

Why don’t you tell your friends about the pesky posters of a football message board who don’t post links to a topic ( people like me just post for a bit of fun and have more important things to worry about )

Half the time I post off a cell phone which exacerbates the problem

Well said ( Pesky posters )who dare to offer impartial, different, or dare to challenge views of other posters .

Back to DVLA time they got back to work in my humble view, and helped others who are desperate to get a licence to earn some money instead of being held to ransom by those in work and earning , late night valley buses are still not back due to this appalling backlog .

Then take there Industrial Action . ( for the picky board one's see what I di for you with their )

It is about others not just a single entity of workers .

Whoosh all in my own poor grammar

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Of course it is ??

I simply don't hide that fact , others simply compile responses in their own words dragged from the very same media outlets something I am honest about as I do struggle with composing eloquent responses in the correct grammar and details' .

Anyway back to the point and away from the goalpost move the detail I posted seem to show HGV shortage Europe not just the UK that has nothing to do with Brexit , do you have a eloquent view on why , I hope they weren't using cheap eastern European labour as well and now drivers want a fair wage and conditions ???????

Of course you hide the fact - by not referencing your cut and paste jobs in the first place

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Of course it is ??

I simply don't hide that fact , others simply compile responses in their own words dragged from the very same media outlets something I am honest about as I do struggle with composing eloquent responses in the correct grammar and details' .

Anyway back to the point and away from the goalpost move the detail I posted seem to show HGV shortage Europe not just the UK that has nothing to do with Brexit , do you have a eloquent view on why , I hope they weren't using cheap eastern European labour as well and now drivers want a fair wage and conditions ???????

So the article you selectively copied and pasted from that TBG helpfully posted using Transport Intelligence's figures the UK accounts for 25% of the overall lorry driver shortage across Europe. Yet the UK accounts for around 13% of the overall population of the EU/UK combined and even less if countries such as Norway who were part of your selective quote are included.

If you had quoted the article rather than cut bits out then others could have noted the conclusions from the body that produced the figures:

Logistics analysts Transport Intelligence told i: “The most heavily affected European countries are Poland, the UK and Germany. The UK is in a particularly difficult position as it is not only grappling with Brexit, but it also saw many European workers leave over the course of the pandemic, as fears over lockdowns grew.”

You may wish to note that its conclusions differ from yours that the particular UK shortage has nothing to do with Brexit, but bloody experts, what do they know?

[life on mars]

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Of course you hide the fact - by not referencing your cut and paste jobs in the first place

Well why do you need to point it out if you know that it a fact .

Any comment on HGV European crisis

[life on mars]

Re: Hundreds of civil servants at the DVLA have done no work on full pay

So the article you selectively copied and pasted from that TBG helpfully posted using Transport Intelligence's figures the UK accounts for 25% of the overall lorry driver shortage across Europe. Yet the UK accounts for around 13% of the overall population of the EU/UK combined and even less if countries such as Norway who were part of your selective quote are included.

If you had quoted the article rather than cut bits out then others could have noted the conclusions from the body that produced the figures:

Logistics analysts Transport Intelligence told i: “The most heavily affected European countries are Poland, the UK and Germany. The UK is in a particularly difficult position as it is not only grappling with Brexit, but it also saw many European workers leave over the course of the pandemic, as fears over lockdowns grew.”

You may wish to note that its conclusions differ from yours that the particular UK shortage has nothing to do with Brexit, but bloody experts, what do they know?

Any view on low wage European drivers depressing HGV drivers for so long which is another view from another media outlet or is that made up ?

[Doucas]

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Any view on low wage European drivers depressing HGV drivers for so long which is another view from another media outlet or is that made up ?

It's not European drivers depressing wages, it's greedy companies lowering wages not just for HGV drivers but in basically every industry. I repeatedy get told by tories that billionaires are good for the country, how? Are wages improving? No. Are public services improving? No. Is debt improving? No.