BreakTheLaw Boris

[Eric Cartman]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

You have a right to care about the issues you care about, and other people have a right to care about issues they care about.

I don't think it is the biggest issue in the country, but I also think it's possible to walk and chew gum at the same time, and personally illegal immigration, abuse of asylum, people dying on dinghies and the enrichment of criminal gangs in the repulsive people traficking industry is something that we should try and solve, even if it upsets a few peoples sensitivities along the way.

You've also failed to come up with any solutions and just wheeled out a few predictable tropes, which doesn't move us forward at all.

I can't work out why will this stop people from paying for traffickers to get them into the UK.

[Tito Fuente]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

I appreciate that was a rhetorical question, but no, you wouldn't have to in that instance.

But then if we lived in a country where the government wanted to murder all of the people trying to seek asylum, the last thing you would do is speak up and question and their policies anyway.

Yes - it is possible to criticise a problem and not have a better one lined up, but such opinions are just substantially less useful than also being able to offer up an alternative.

Opinions have to be useful too?! Bloody hell, I didn't realise how many rules there were.

[JamesWales]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

I can't work out why will this stop people from paying for traffickers to get them into the UK.

Would you pay £10,000 or so to a human trafficker who you will never see again for a boat to the UK if you thought when you got here you would be flown to Rwanda and processed?

The idea here is to reduce illegal immigration done via criminal gangs. There is no ideal solution, but doing nothing isnt an option

[JamesWales]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Opinions have to be useful too?! Bloody hell, I didn't realise how many rules there were.

Yeah, I hang around in the wrong messageboards tbf :hehe:

[Eric Cartman]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Would you pay £10,000 or so to a human trafficker who you will never see again for a boat to the UK if you thought when you got here you would be flown to Rwanda and processed?

The idea here is to reduce illegal immigration done via criminal gangs. There is no ideal solution, but doing nothing isnt an option

They aren't paying to reach a processing unit, they are paying 10k to avoid a processing unit. If everyone coming over is being rounded up and processed then where is the need to move it to Rwanda and if they aren't then this won't solve it, they still get through and become illegal immigrants.

Just because we hear 'Rwanda' and think 'feck me, no thanks', doesn't mean migrants from half destroyed shit holes will think the same and if they don't then that is your deterrent gone.

[Hilts]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

I can't work out why will this stop people from paying for traffickers to get them into the UK.

It wont.

[Claude Blue]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Would you pay £10,000 or so to a human trafficker who you will never see again for a boat to the UK if you thought when you got here you would be flown to Rwanda and processed?

The idea here is to reduce illegal immigration done via criminal gangs. There is no ideal solution, but doing nothing isnt an option

They will focus their attention on women, children and family groups (genuine or not) thus increasing the risk to even more people.

The fact that women, children and family groups are excluded shows that even Johnson and Patel do not regard Rwanda as entirely safe. Add to that the fact that homosexuality is still frowned upon in that country and you may begin to understand why any decent human being would regard this policy as disgusting.

Sadly we are governed by people with no moral compass or decency and do not value human life.

[JamesWales]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

They will focus their attention on women, children and family groups (genuine or not) thus increasing the risk to even more people.

The fact that women, children and family groups are excluded shows that even Johnson and Patel do not regard Rwanda as entirely safe. Add to that the fact that homosexuality is still frowned upon in that country and you may begin to understand why any decent human being would regard this policy as disgusting.

Sadly we are governed by people with no moral compass or decency and do not value human life.

If it helps to break the current cycle of human trafficking then it's worth trying. To do nothing, to tolerate the status quo should be more disgusting to any decent human being. I dont think people have any real idea quite how repulsive and global this industry is, and many people in this country dont seem to care as long as they can just claim some moral high ground and slag off the government.

Is this not what Denmark are doing? If it slows the trade in human trafficking and reduces illegal immigration we should try it.

[life on mars]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

We pay taxes for a well managed and proportionate asylum/immigration process, it shouldn't require charity but since you asked, how about we start with Buckingham Palace?

What has their gender or their relationship status got to do with whether they deserve to be treated in a fair and proportionate way?

What's that got to do with single males in thier thousands leaving families to enter UK ??

If this was 29 thousand women and children I'd have a different view . ..

Never mind Buck House, charity starts at home and you have wonderful ideals which I admit most of us lack , so step up show your goodness and offer a room rather than pass the buck ( get it ) to queeny .

It's not about taxes it's about being a voice and going
over beyond and support what you belive in and offer up that spare room or find one for these unfortunate single fellas who I'm sure are in need . Even tent in you back garden would be haven for them ?

[life on mars]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

It wont.

How do you know ?

[Claude Blue]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

If it helps to break the current cycle of human trafficking then it's worth trying. To do nothing, to tolerate the status quo should be more disgusting to any decent human being. I dont think people have any real idea quite how repulsive and global this industry is, and many people in this country dont seem to care as long as they can just claim some moral high ground and slag off the government.

Is this not what Denmark are doing? If it slows the trade in human trafficking and reduces illegal immigration we should try it.

Australia and Israel have both tried off shoring migrants - both systems failed and the costs were exorbitant. Perhaps this government should learn from these countries?

The best solution (you'll never fully stop it) is greater cooperation with our EU neighbours, particularly France. Not easy as the French can be awkward buggers (!!) but we need to work diplomatically with all our European allies.

Getting back into the Dublin Convention (and improving it) would be a start.

[Hilts]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

They will focus their attention on women, children and family groups (genuine or not) thus increasing the risk to even more people.

The fact that women, children and family groups are excluded shows that even Johnson and Patel do not regard Rwanda as entirely safe. Add to that the fact that homosexuality is still frowned upon in that country and you may begin to understand why any decent human being would regard this policy as disgusting.

Sadly we are governed by people with no moral compass or decency and do not value human life.

Well said.

[JamesWales]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Australia and Israel have both tried off shoring migrants - both systems failed and the costs were exorbitant. Perhaps this government should learn from these countries?

The best solution (you'll never fully stop it) is greater cooperation with our EU neighbours, particularly France. Not easy as the French can be awkward buggers (!!) but we need to work diplomatically with all our European allies.

Getting back into the Dublin Convention (and improving it) would be a start.

Actually, I think Australia has largely stopped it no?

When was the last time someone died in a boat in Australian waters?

[jon1959]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

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[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Well said.

You might think so but clearly you have not been taking LoM's deep philosophical views into consideration. I'll precis:

Bounce around, bounce around, if you don't house a single male asylum seeker, you're a Jack!