BreakTheLaw Boris

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Actually, I think Australia has largely stopped it no?

When was the last time someone died in a boat in Australian waters?

Currently on Nauru, Australia’s only “enduring” offshore processing island, there are 107 refugees and asylum seekers held. Most have been there more than eight years.

It costs the Australian taxpayer $358,646 (£193,400) every month to hold a single person on the island, nearly $12,000 (£6500) a day, or $4.3m (£2,320,000) per person each year, according to the government’s own figures.

Kurdish-Iranian journalist and refugee Behrouz Boochani was held for more than seven years on Manus Island, abused, beaten and tortured, before he secured a visa to New Zealand, which recognised his protection claim. He saw friends killed, watched them descend into madness, or simply give up.

Guardian so probably bollocks!

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2021/nov/27/australia-knows-the-horror-of-deaths-at-sea-and-what-happens-when-the-response-goes-wrong

[JamesWales]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Currently on Nauru, Australia’s only “enduring” offshore processing island, there are 107 refugees and asylum seekers held. Most have been there more than eight years.

It costs the Australian taxpayer $358,646 (£193,400) every month to hold a single person on the island, nearly $12,000 (£6500) a day, or $4.3m (£2,320,000) per person each year, according to the government’s own figures.

Kurdish-Iranian journalist and refugee Behrouz Boochani was held for more than seven years on Manus Island, abused, beaten and tortured, before he secured a visa to New Zealand, which recognised his protection claim. He saw friends killed, watched them descend into madness, or simply give up.

Guardian so probably bollocks!

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2...nse-goes-wrong

Probably not bollocks, but probably an agenda and not looking at the fuller picture, which is what was happening in Australia before, which was illegal crossings via criminal gangs across dangerous seas.

Proper policies and enforcing the law sometimes costs money. We should give it a go. If you think effectively giving priority to young men wealthy enough to pay then thats up to you. I think we can do better. And you still havent come up with an alternative.

[Claude Blue]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

[QUOTE=JamesWales;5292641]Probably not bollocks, but probably an agenda and not looking at the fuller picture, which is what was happening in Australia before, which was illegal crossings via criminal gangs across dangerous seas.

Proper policies and enforcing the law sometimes costs money. We should give it a go. If you think effectively giving priority to young men wealthy enough to pay then thats up to you. I think we can do better. And you still havent come up with an alternative.[/Q

So despite being shown that the cost of a similar scheme was enormous and clearly unsustainable and horrific abuse took place you still think "we should give it a go" I suppose you think that as we're British we'll do it better and it'll be "world beating" no doubt!

For reference checkout tonights Newsnight on BBC2 - interesting detail from Lewis Goodall and the interviews after. I know it's the BBC and it obviously has an agenda, etc. but give it a view.

[JamesWales]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

[QUOTE=Claude Blue;5292648]

Probably not bollocks, but probably an agenda and not looking at the fuller picture, which is what was happening in Australia before, which was illegal crossings via criminal gangs across dangerous seas.

Proper policies and enforcing the law sometimes costs money. We should give it a go. If you think effectively giving priority to young men wealthy enough to pay then thats up to you. I think we can do better. And you still havent come up with an alternative.[/Q

So despite being shown that the cost of a similar scheme was enormous and clearly unsustainable and horrific abuse took place you still think "we should give it a go" I suppose you think that as we're British we'll do it better and it'll be "world beating" no doubt!

For reference checkout tonights Newsnight on BBC2 - interesting detail from Lewis Goodall and the interviews after. I know it's the BBC and it obviously has an agenda, etc. but give it a view.

I just watched it. I think the current situation is utterly unsustainable. How many will arrive over the weekend from France? A thousand? a couple of thousand? That would be at least £5m going to criminal gangs and there is no guarantee these are the most deserving or needy cases. We have to do something

[Eric Cartman]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

What's that got to do with single males in thier thousands leaving families to enter UK ??

If this was 29 thousand women and children I'd have a different view . ..

Never mind Buck House, charity starts at home and you have wonderful ideals which I admit most of us lack , so step up show your goodness and offer a room rather than pass the buck ( get it ) to queeny .

It's not about taxes it's about being a voice and going
over beyond and support what you belive in and offer up that spare room or find one for these unfortunate single fellas who I'm sure are in need . Even tent in you back garden would be haven for them ?

I would imagine much the same reason why an adult female without children does?

I am struggling to work out your position, you want me to let illegal immigrants stay in a tent in my 6 foot by 8 foot walled garden? It is a wonder you aren't in the cabinet with fantastic policy ideas like that.

Funnily enough, I also believe that we pay taxes for a well managed NHS, do you think I should start to offer minor surgery on my kitchen table to show my 'support'.

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

[QUOTE=JamesWales;5292653]

I just watched it. I think the current situation is utterly unsustainable. How many will arrive over the weekend from France? A thousand? a couple of thousand? That would be at least £5m going to criminal gangs and there is no guarantee these are the most deserving or needy cases. We have to do something

So LoM said 29k a year arrived last year and you are speculating a couple of thousand this weekend alone. You boys need to get your act together. Obviously there is no guarantee that these are most deserving or needy cases. I must admit that I don't understand this rule as they either meet the UK's criteria as a valid asylum seekers or they don't.

On that basis, according to the UK Government figures I provided you earlier today, 72% of those people, seeking asylum were granted it at first application. Obviously this will rise when appeals are considered.

So, lets be generous, of LoM's 30k, three quarters made it over the bar without appeal. That leaves 7.5k people a year to have a hissy fit about on an island of 70 million people.

Still we have to do something because of those people traffickers!

[JamesWales]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

[QUOTE=cyril evans awaydays;5292664]

So LoM said 29k a year arrived last year and you are speculating a couple of thousand this weekend alone. You boys need to get your act together. Obviously there is no guarantee that these are most deserving or needy cases. I must admit that I don't understand this rule as they either meet the UK's criteria as a valid asylum seekers or they don't.

On that basis, according to the UK Government figures I provided you earlier today, 72% of those people, seeking asylum were granted it at first application. Obviously this will rise when appeals are considered.

So, lets be generous, of LoM's 30k, three quarters made it over the bar without appeal. That leaves 7.5k people a year to have a hissy fit about on an island of 70 million people.

Still we have to do something because of those people traffickers!

Honestly, its unbelievable and somewhat shameful how you are okay with the status quo.

I can see how any solution is controversial with inevitable pros and cons but the current situation is a total joke.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

[QUOTE=JamesWales;5292653]

I just watched it. I think the current situation is utterly unsustainable. How many will arrive over the weekend from France? A thousand? a couple of thousand? That would be at least £5m going to criminal gangs and there is no guarantee these are the most deserving or needy cases. We have to do something

The Tories must be worried/serious, they allowed a Minister to appear on Newsnight (I may have misheard, but it sounded like he thought there was a Labour Government in 2014)! You say you watched those stats shown on the programme and it, clearly, had no effect on you, all you seem to have to offer is “it’s better than nothing” - Tuesday, the Prime Minister is fined for breaking his own law, Thursday we get to hear about this. It’s knee jerk governing dictated by events (more often than not prompted by the Prime Minister’s unfitness for the job).

[the other bob wilson]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Just in case we forget the "future PM" from a month or two ago;-

According to the latest issue of the peer-reviewed Economic Journal, the scheme “can account for between 8% [and] 17% of all new [Covid-19] infections” during the period in which the scheme was active, (and likely many more non-detected asymptomatic infections)"

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/apr/14/rishi-sunak-parliaments-icarus-fraud-furlough-chancellor

[Claude Blue]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

[QUOTE=the other bob wilson;5292684]

The Tories must be worried/serious, they allowed a Minister to appear on Newsnight (I may have misheard, but it sounded like he thought there was a Labour Government in 2014)! You say you watched those stats shown on the programme and it, clearly, had no effect on you, all you seem to have to offer is “it’s better than nothing” - Tuesday, the Prime Minister is fined for breaking his own law, Thursday we get to hear about this. It’s knee jerk governing dictated by events (more often than not prompted by the Prime Minister’s unfitness for the job).

I'm glad you also heard the bit about a Labour government in 2014, I thought it must have been just me!

Very poor of the presenter not to challenge it.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Completely unrelated to Johnson being fined last Tuesday of course;=

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122241

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

Completely unrelated to Johnson being fined last Tuesday of course;=

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-61122241

The words of Johnson and Patel give the game away when they talk of taking on a “formidable army of politically motivated lawyers” who are “fleecing the British taxpayer”.

A solution/trial whatever deliberately designed to encourage legal challenges so an embattled Prime Minister and ministers can position themselves as defenders of the faith in the culture war stuff that will lead up to the May elections.

Whether this flies or not doesn't really matter to them. The budget for this is a closely guarded secret. What matters is the noise it generates. My guess is that it would suit the architects if it is declared illegal as it will trigger an assault on the legislation like the Human Rights Act. Far better a noble failure than perhaps living with the consequences of its implementation causing headlines around general election time.

[JamesWales]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

The words of Johnson and Patel give the game away when they talk of taking on a “formidable army of politically motivated lawyers” who are “fleecing the British taxpayer”.

A solution/trial whatever deliberately designed to encourage legal challenges so an embattled Prime Minister and ministers can position themselves as defenders of the faith in the culture war stuff that will lead up to the May elections.

Whether this flies or not doesn't really matter to them. The budget for this is a closely guarded secret. What matters is the noise it generates. My guess is that it would suit the architects if it is declared illegal as it will trigger an assault on the legislation like the Human Rights Act. Far better a noble failure than perhaps living with the consequences of its implementation causing headlines around general election time.

They are talking about this kind of thing. I really dont get why so many people object to trying to fix what is clearly a pretty broken system.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/13358212/murderers-rapists-criminals-stop-legal-deported/

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

They are talking about this kind of thing. I really dont get why so many people object to trying to fix what is clearly a pretty broken system.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/133582...egal-deported/

So you don't like the current laws of the land. What bits of law would you change to give you the solution you are seeking?

[ninian opinian]

Re: BreakTheLaw Boris

They are talking about this kind of thing. I really dont get why so many people object to trying to fix what is clearly a pretty broken system.


https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/133582...egal-deported/

Deporting asylum seekers to Rwanda is consistent with Governments plan to become only the third country to ditch the principles of the Convention for the Protection of Human Rights.

The others are:
Greece, after a military coup and
Russia, after invading Ukraine

Truly world beating.