Chaos in Government

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Re: Chaos in Government

Yes, they did. Very definitely.

How is this possible given his name was on just 1 of 650 ballot papers?

[lardy]

Re: Chaos in Government

Did they? I suppose his constituents did, but in the UK we have a parliamentary system, not a presidential system. The voters voted for the party, not the man.

With that logic, Corbyn had no effect on Labour's votes which makes all the effort the press put in to attacking him pointless.

[the other bob wilson]

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Johnson's cuddly name to the last. If you think he wouldn't try to use this period for some kind of grandstanding redemption attempt you have learned nothing from the last three years!

Of course he will and I expect there to be moves, albeit unsuccessful ones I’d hope, claiming that he be allowed to carry on given the great job he’s making of the caretaker Prime Ministership.

Just been listening to a Tory biographer of Johnson’s who said in all seriousness that he will be thinking of becoming Prime Minister again - perhaps when the “grey nobody” they select in his place has been deemed to have failed.

[The Lone Gunman]

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How is this possible given his name was on just 1 of 650 ballot papers?

Oh, do **** off.

[JamesWales]

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That's not really a conservative achievement though is it. It's what any country should do when 90% of people can't go to work.

Yes, it's something that more or less every country did, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen and it wasn't right to do it. It was an extraordinary level of support for the private sector.

[the other bob wilson]

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Did they? I suppose his constituents did, but in the UK we have a parliamentary system, not a presidential system. The voters voted for the party, not the man.

Yes, I think they did, you only had to listen to red wall voters who’d switched to the Tories talking on the day after the election in 2019 to see that Johnson played a very large part in them voting the way they did.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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In fairness, the amount of support given to private business in the last two and half years is unprecedented in the history of the country.

Had the market been left to it's devices, then there quite literally would be millions unemployed right now

Lardy just answered this. I've just got to say, you know we live in completely different world's right? There's no point us doing the same dance over and over again just for the sake of it. I think you're a really bright guy but we have completely different motivations in life and clearly completely different experiences. I'm tired of the status quo James. I'll no longer support it.

[life on mars]

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Wonderful couple of days in politics haven't slept all night , I will miss him as he's livened up boring politics .

Raaaaab to step up temporary ..

I do wonder if Labour will regret I wonder in the floating voter world Corbyn's presence was Boris's a reason for his election win , surely with a toxic Boris left there he was always a potential vote winner for Labour ??

Someone like Ben Wallace , Penny Mordaunt will be a different type of measured leaders .

Next election will be fascinating as will the opinion polls from now on .

[Dorcus]

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Of course he will and I expect there to be moves, albeit unsuccessful ones I’d hope, claiming that he be allowed to carry on given the great job he’s making of the caretaker Prime Ministership.

Just been listening to a Tory biographer of Johnson’s who said in all seriousness that he will be thinking of becoming Prime Minister again - perhaps when the “grey nobody” they select in his place has been deemed to have failed.

The Trump similarity is there for all to see. It would be great for democracy if such deranged deviants were barred from running for public office ever again.

[life on mars]

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Lardy just answered this. I've just got to say, you know we live in completely different world's right? There's no point us doing the same dance over and over again just for the sake of it. I think you're a really bright guy but we have completely different motivations in life and clearly completely different experiences. I'm tired of the status quo James. I'll no longer support it.

Do you not think the Furlough scheme saved jobs , it was one of the most generous job saving packages ever delivered , on a personal level working and now working in the private sector it certainly saved our workforce through those very challenging times ?

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Yes, it's something that more or less every country did, but that doesn't mean it didn't happen and it wasn't right to do it. It was an extraordinary level of support for the private sector.

That is 100% correct. But you very often like to use the word nuance (I'm not having a go) so without context there's a hidden story behind that statement.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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Do you not think the Furlough scheme saved jobs , it was one of the most generous job saving packages ever delivered , on a personal level working and now working in the private sector it certainly saved our workforce through those very challenging times ?

Of course, but in all seriousness LOM, how many global pandemics have we ever had to deal with? It's been overused but the word unprecedented applies.

[delmbox]

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As joyful as it is to see him go I can't help but think of the old Napoleon quote "never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake"

Having Johnson there was dragging them down in the polls, now they'll vote someone else in in the autumn, who'll still have a massive majority and can sell the whole "mistakes were made under the previous leadership, this is a fresh start" angle, thereby distancing themselves from the worst of his era

[Dorcus]

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Do you not think the Furlough scheme saved jobs , it was one of the most generous job saving packages ever delivered , on a personal level working and now working in the private sector it certainly saved our workforce through those very challenging times ?

There was no real choice. Just about any sensible and capable country did exactly the same. Without that action there would have been no viable economy to resurrect. Praise is not required for the policy implementation but had it not happened, criticism would have been appropriate.

[Citizen's Nephew]

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As joyful as it is to see him go I can't help but think of the old Napoleon quote "never interrupt your enemy when he's making a mistake"

Having Johnson there was dragging them down in the polls, now they'll vote someone else in in the autumn, who'll still have a massive majority and can sell the whole "mistakes were made under the previous leadership, this is a fresh start" angle, thereby distancing themselves from the worst of his era

Abso-f*cking-lutely! (love the Napoleon quote Delm)