Chaos in Government

[JamesWales]

Re: Chaos in Government

Absolutely. There was EU policy to deal with this that David Cameron begged the EU not to be involved with. THe EU refused.

If you really think that staying in the EU was a must for businesses who exploit immigrants, think again. Legislation was on its way and the Tory government of the time was keen to avoid it at all costs.

What legislation? The EU has no minumum wage?

It's an absolute farce that people suggest the EU raises British workers standards. At almost every turn, the UK exceeds the minimum standard, and as stated above, in many cases, there are no standards at all

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Chaos in Government

What legislation? The EU has no minumum wage?

It's an absolute farce that people suggest the EU raises British workers standards. At almost every turn, the UK exceeds the minimum standard, and as stated above, in many cases, there are no standards at all

Once again, two foot in without having a clue what you're talking about.

[Lither_1927]

Re: Chaos in Government

Absolutely. There was EU policy to deal with this that David Cameron begged the EU not to be involved with. THe EU refused.

If you really think that staying in the EU was a must for businesses who exploit immigrants, think again. Legislation was on its way and the Tory government of the time was keen to avoid it at all costs.

Interesting. What was the law and has it been implemented yet.

Big business is way over represented in dealings with the commision. I'd go into more detail but i'm probably being hacked and my device keeps freezing. Nice to have crossed paths with you all anyway.

[bigjoe]

Re: Chaos in Government

I explained it briefly in the quote that you edited out. Weird.

"You could argue that the Ukraine conflict was, in part, caused by the EU ever expanding eastwards. Not respecting Russian interests and backing them into a corner risking nuclear war in the process.

We have democratic system and leave won. If you don't like democracy come out and say...I'm beginning to question it myself but not because of Brexit."

The EU is expanding as countries ask to join. The biggest immediate advantage is to have access to a large economic area. Or does the EU actively look for new members? The EU decides to accept a country or not. Should they not accept a free will request made to join the EU as it would upset some other country? I'd find it easier to understand the argument if it'd be NATO. I'm probably missing something altogether here.

[Lither_1927]

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"You could argue that the Ukraine conflict was, in part, caused by the EU ever expanding eastwards. Not respecting Russian interests and backing them into a corner risking nuclear war in the process.

We have democratic system and leave won. If you don't like democracy come out and say...I'm beginning to question it myself but not because of Brexit."

The EU is expanding as countries ask to join. The biggest immediate advantage is to have access to a large economic area. Or does the EU actively look for new members? The EU decides to accept a country or not. Should they not accept a free will request made to join the EU as it would upset some other country? I'd find it easier to understand the argument if it'd be NATO. I'm probably missing something altogether here.

So, you agree. the EU is expansionist and has expanded it's trading bloc and schengen to Russia's border with talk of a EU army going on. That army is inevitable.
So yes, they have neglected Russia's geo political interests and played a part in the conflict.
Do you think war, mass death and potential nuclear fallout is a price worth paying for expansionism of the EU project? If i'm reading this right you do. Lol

[Rjk]

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So, you agree. the EU is expansionist and has expanded it's trading bloc and schengen to Russia's border with talk of a EU army going on. That army is inevitable.
So yes, they have neglected Russia's geo political interests and played a part in the conflict.
Do you think war, mass death and potential nuclear fallout is a price worth paying for expansionism of the EU project? If i'm reading this right you do. Lol

What an absolutely mental way of viewing this conflict.
Which pro-russian website have you got this from?

[rudy gestede]

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What an absolutely mental way of viewing this conflict.
Which pro-russian website have you got this from?

Yep absolutely bonkers.

[Lither_1927]

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What an absolutely mental way of viewing this conflict.
Which pro-russian website have you got this from?

So you think Russia are absolutely fine with the EU trading bloc on it's borders, engulfing it's former territories with which it still had strong ties and traded with. I think you're *bonkers* and clearly see war as a price worth paying for EU expansion eastwards. Pure fanaticism.

[rudy gestede]

Re: Chaos in Government

It was the expansion of NATO used as the excuse wasn’t it?

Even that is bollocks though they’d been encroaching into Ukraine for ages anyway.

Maybe give the Russian propaganda a break gluey.

[chrisp_1927]

Re: Chaos in Government

What an absolutely mental way of viewing this conflict.
Which pro-russian website have you got this from?

Lither is a loon , no doubt about that. But he isn't completely wrong in this point. The blame for what Russia is doing lies with Putin. Although in terms of secondary blame, then the EU has to be top. They've riled putin with their expansionism, no doubt about that. But that's not the issue in itself. They've also been funding him to the tune of hundreds of million a week for gas, and depleted their own armies down to the point of being almost useless. I've got no issue with the expansion, it's their right and it's the right of the countries who want to join. When you take the choice of annoying a genocidal maniac you should be prepared to stick up for yourself. They decided to piss him off, while funding him and disarming themselves.

[Rjk]

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So you think Russia are absolutely fine with the EU trading bloc on it's borders, engulfing it's former territories with which it still had strong ties and traded with. I think you're *bonkers* and clearly see war as a price worth paying for EU expansion eastwards. Pure fanaticism.

So if Scotland left the UK, and then at a later date decided to join the EU, you'd think it would be an acceptable move for the remaining UK to invade Dumfries? After all it would be the EU's fault for its relentless expansionism wouldn't it?

[JamesWales]

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So if Scotland left the UK, and then at a later date decided to join the EU, you'd think it would be an acceptable move for the remaining UK to invade Dumfries? After all it would be the EU's fault for its relentless expansionism wouldn't it?

Not sure it's all worth it for Dumfries, but what about Edinburgh?

[Hilts]

Re: Chaos in Government

Meanwhile the energy price cap is likely to hit £3000 this Winter.

And as the thread says we have a Govt in complete chaos.

Well done Boris youve been an absolute disaster.

[Rjk]

Re: Chaos in Government

Not sure it's all worth it for Dumfries, but what about Edinburgh?

I figured Edinburgh was most analogous to Kyiv. Hell let's go as far as Aberdeen to secure the North Sea Oil, I mean the freedom of the English living there.

[life on mars]

Re: Chaos in Government

Meanwhile the energy price cap is likely to hit £3000 this Winter.

And as the thread says we have a Govt in complete chaos.

Well done Boris you've been an absolute disaster.

Isn't this more of a global issue though ??

The price cap was seen as a positive especially for those on default tariffs who pay more .

I am sure the genesis of this idea was Labours Ed 's back in 2015 in fact it was part of their manifesto pledge ,. sadly wholesale prices are now off the wall and no one could see this happening , which has destroyed that idea dead think it was well meant to help those at the bottom end of the food chain not to punish them however its severity and its sadly resulted in a number of energy companies going bust..

I notice Germany is talking about some lights out policy this winter , bloody Brexit / Boris I hear them shout .