Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[lisvaneblue]

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Is this the public totally aware that a pandemic was coming or a different one? The government has the opportunity to focus on the health and economic consequences of the virus but has decided to maintain the position that it will leave the transition period as planned with or without a deal. I guess you are comfortable with that but many others think it's a fools errand.

The government could extend for a year, two, three or more and you would want another extension after that no doubt. Because the EU would be quite happy to string us along for as long as it takes for us to submit. Negotiations need deadlines, and sometimes there is no point in extending them.
With or without the pandemic the EU stance has not changed, Barnier is talking in the same tones as he was when Theresa May was floundering

[lisvaneblue]

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If you voted brexit then you might aswell have voted Tory anyway, the Tories played on this slim majority to great affect to win the election. Turning over labour strongholds who decided they wanted brexit so turned. Which is why I voted to remain and didn’t bother for the election, it was a forgone conclusion....I guess you reap what you sow.

For good or bad, that’s democracy

[cyril evans awaydays]

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The government could extend for a year, two, three or more and you would want another extension after that no doubt. Because the EU would be quite happy to string us along for as long as it takes for us to submit. Negotiations need deadlines, and sometimes there is no point in extending them.
With or without the pandemic the EU stance has not changed, Barnier is talking in the same tones as he was when Theresa May was floundering

EU seems determined, even at this stage, to read us like a colonial outback, subservient to them and their laws.

Which laws are so important to you that can't take a back seat to managing the health and economic impacts of Covid without layering the impacts of ending the transition period?

[splott parker]

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For good or bad, that’s democracy

Lies, lies and more damn lies I call it........and the gullible fell for it to the detriment of all.

[lisvaneblue]

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If you voted brexit then you might aswell have voted Tory anyway, the Tories played on this slim majority to great affect to win the election. Turning over labour strongholds who decided they wanted brexit so turned. Which is why I voted to remain and didn’t bother for the election, it was a forgone conclusion....I guess you reap what you sow.

The public decided they wanted Brexit in 2016. Boris won in 2019 because he promised to deliver it when both the then leaders of Tory and Labour were dithering

[Dorcus]

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For good or bad, that’s democracy

It definitely ain't for good so where does that leave us?

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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EU seems determined, even at this stage, to read us like a colonial outback

That seems to be how most Brexit supporters see Britain as well.

[lardy]

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Dexamethasone and remdesivir seem to help, the former greatly reducing the number of fatalities

The former can help some of those who are seriously ill. I think I remember reading about one eighth of people on a ventilator or needing oxygen. Absolutely brilliant, of course, but this is not greatly reducing fatalities or a miracle cure.

[lisvaneblue]

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The former can help some of those who are seriously ill. I think I remember reading about one eighth of people on a ventilator or needing oxygen. Absolutely brilliant, of course, but this is not greatly reducing fatalities or a miracle cure.

Oxford University hospitals who did the trials hailed it a breakthrough and said that if dexamethasone had been used from the start 5,000 UK patients would not have died. That's significant.

[goats]

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The public decided they wanted Brexit in 2016. Boris won in 2019 because he promised to deliver it when both the then leaders of Tory and Labour were dithering

I agree, corbyn appeared to dither more than anyone so god knows what state we’d be in with this virus if he had won, but then we will never know.....

[lardy]

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Oxford University hospitals who did the trials hailed it a breakthrough and said that if dexamethasone had been used from the start 5,000 UK patients would not have died. That's significant.

Well, they said "up to 5,000" lives could have been saved - I'm not knocking this but it's about 10%. The vast majority of deaths would still have occurred, so we need to keep our feet on the ground. It is a breakthrough, it is good news, it's not greatly reducing fatalities.

[lisvaneblue]

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Well, they said "up to 5,000" lives could have been saved - I'm not knocking this but it's about 10%. The vast majority of deaths would still have occurred, so we need to keep our feet on the ground. It is a breakthrough, it is good news, it's not greatly reducing fatalities.

The trial was called RECOVERY, suggest you look at the data which covers over 2,000 patients and says....Dexamethasone reduced deaths by 20% in those patients that required oxygen, and 35% in those that required ventilation. If that's not significantly reducing fatalities, what is?

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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I agree, corbyn appeared to dither more than anyone so god knows what state we’d be in with this virus if he had won, but then we will never know.....

Meanwhile :

A health economist from Swansea University said that, in hindsight, spending £166m on 46 patients was "not a good use of limited resources".
Prof Ceri Phillips said: "Elective operations were cancelled, the level of demand was reduced, out-patients was reorganised so people weren't coming into hospital."

How many have deaths have occurred in Wales where Covid was present ? 2300? We have well passed the stage where deaths from lack of operations, delays in diagnosis, treatment, attendance in Hospitals, have far exceeded CV19 -influence deaths.

[Eric Cartman]

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Meanwhile :

A health economist from Swansea University said that, in hindsight, spending £166m on 46 patients was "not a good use of limited resources".
Prof Ceri Phillips said: "Elective operations were cancelled, the level of demand was reduced, out-patients was reorganised so people weren't coming into hospital."

How many have deaths have occurred in Wales where Covid was present ? 2300? We have well passed the stage where deaths from lack of operations, delays in diagnosis, treatment, attendance in Hospitals, have far exceeded CV19 -influence deaths.

What is your point?

[Rjk]

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I agree, corbyn appeared to dither more than anyone so god knows what state we’d be in with this virus if he had won, but then we will never know.....

The current lot appear to have handled it worse than any other ruling party anywhere in the world - most deaths per capita and most financial distress.

The tories (especially the current lot) are the party of business, and always think about business interests ahead of people. They also want to see state "interference" minimised due to their dogmatic beliefs that the free market is always more efficient.

I think labour, especially the left of it, would have been much less reluctant to apply an early lockdown, which looking at other countries tells us would probably have saved tens of thousands of lives and made the financial impact much less.
Of course the newspapers would have been extremely critical of whatever Corbyn would have done.