Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[goats]

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I don’t know if Corbyn would have locked down sooner, we will never know. It’s easy looking back but we are talking about imposing something on the population that had never been done before in the history of man here. People were very blaise about it, until it suddenly hit super serious around the middle of March with the hoarding of food

[lardy]

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What is your point?

Monkfish is saying, quite rightly, that decisions should be made with the full knowledge of what is to come. It's absolutely disgusting that they planned for a situation that didn't even happen. What a waste of taxpayers money. If we're not funding them for their precog ability, what are we funding them for? It's like Minority Report never happened.

[Rjk]

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I don’t know if Corbyn would have locked down sooner, we will never know. It’s easy looking back but we are talking about imposing something on the population that had never been done before in the history of man here. People were very blaise about it, until it suddenly hit super serious around the middle of March with the hoarding of food

people were absolutely Calling for a lockdown 2 weeks before we finally got one. Rory Stewart amongst them.
companies started to take decisions ahead of the government, It really wasn't leadership.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Monkfish is saying, quite rightly, that decisions should be made with the full knowledge of what is to come. It's absolutely disgusting that they planned for a situation that didn't even happen. What a waste of taxpayers money. If we're not funding them for their precog ability, what are we funding them for? It's like Minority Report never happened.

I thought he was saying that it was all a big drama and more people would die by worrying about it rather than with it, its tiny compared with the flu which was the line at the time. So the facilities were never going to be needed.

Or conversely the modelling has been shit and if we locked down a couple of weeks later when the R had gone from 3.5 to something much higher the hospitals could have been overwhelmed and we would have got a far better bang for buck out of the temporary facilities.

[lardy]

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I thought he was saying that it was all a big drama and more people would die by worrying about it rather than with it, its tiny compared with the flu which was the line at the time. So the facilities were never going to be needed.

Or conversely the modelling has been shit and if we locked down a couple of weeks later when the R had gone from 3.5 to something much higher the hospitals could have been overwhelmed and we would have got a far better bang for buck out of the temporary facilities.

If only we could have seen what happened in other countries first.

[the other bob wilson]

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Nobody but you is comparing one with the other. Both need to be managed

There is at least one contributor to this thread who has said that Brexit has to be a higher priority - in fact he did it a few hours before your message I'm replying to.

[Michael Morris]

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The UK is abandoning its existing contact-tracing app and switching to the technology provided by Apple and Google, Sky News has confirmed.

The news will be announced at a briefing later today.

The move marks a major U-turn, after the government insisted its own centralised model was more effective than the model being proposed by the technology companies.

[Rjk]

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The UK is abandoning its existing contact-tracing app and switching to the technology provided by Apple and Google, Sky News has confirmed.

The news will be announced at a briefing later today.

The move marks a major U-turn, after the government insisted its own centralised model was more effective than the model being proposed by the technology companies.

I wonder how much has been spent on it already

[cyril evans awaydays]

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The UK is abandoning its existing contact-tracing app and switching to the technology provided by Apple and Google, Sky News has confirmed.

The news will be announced at a briefing later today.

The move marks a major U-turn, after the government insisted its own centralised model was more effective than the model being proposed by the technology companies.

The silence from the Isle of Wight trial was deafening and once it went from being the centrepiece of a world leading contact test and trace system to the "cherry on top of the cake" this was always going to be the outcome. At least they did not put all their eggs in one basket and commissioned a Swiss company to progress with the apps that have been successfully developed elsewhere in the world.

Absolute shambles though. The decision making around the initiation of this, going our own way, presumably because we didn't want anything with an EU flavour, procurement, planning and the optimism of delivery will all be part of a case study into incompetence when it is crawled over by the NAO and Select Committees. I guess Hancock will be long gone by then though,discarded as Johnson's patsy.

[Heisenberg]

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The silence from the Isle of Wight trial was deafening and once it went from being the centrepiece of a world leading contact test and trace system to the "cherry on top of the cake" this was always going to be the outcome. At least they did not put all their eggs in one basket and commissioned a Swiss company to progress with the apps that have been successfully developed elsewhere in the world.

Absolute shambles though. The decision making around the initiation of this, going our own way, presumably because we didn't want anything with an EU flavour, procurement, planning and the optimism of delivery will all be part of a case study into incompetence when it is crawled over by the NAO and Select Committees. I guess Hancock will be long gone by then though,discarded as Johnson's patsy.

It's so depressing how predictable this all was. Nothing we can do except laugh about it, I guess.

[lisvaneblue]

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It's so depressing how predictable this all was. Nothing we can do except laugh about it, I guess.

Or cry about it. What a shambles.

The Gov, NHS and many public bodies seem to want to create their own things despite good tested commercial options being available. I don't know if it's ego or an inherent distrust of commercial enterprise.

Good to see at last....and I mean at last...NHS have a £350m contract with Microsoft to supply 365 throughout their systems. For years they've had a mix and match with some regions doing their own thing while others operated on out of date Microsoft systems which were no longer supported.

Too serious to laugh about....pass the hankie

[Baloo]

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It's so depressing how predictable this all was. Nothing we can do except laugh about it, I guess.

On the plus side I’m getting used to the UK being crap at everything again more quickly than I expected.

[CCFCC3PO]

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people were absolutely Calling for a lockdown 2 weeks before we finally got one. Rory Stewart amongst them.
companies started to take decisions ahead of the government, It really wasn't leadership.

Yep, there were calls on Social Media asking for us to lockdown. At the time, my company told us to start planning working from home on a Monday, by the Wednesday we were working from home.

Tesco were having crisis meetings weeks before the lockdown.

[CCFCC3PO]

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I don’t know if Corbyn would have locked down sooner, we will never know. It’s easy looking back but we are talking about imposing something on the population that had never been done before in the history of man here. People were very blaise about it, until it suddenly hit super serious around the middle of March with the hoarding of food

I think blue matt was hoarding way before any of us. If he still has the receipt, he could give us the exact day that panic set in for the hard of thinking.

[CCFCC3PO]

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Dexamethasone and remdesivir seem to help, the former greatly reducing the number of fatalities

Not quite yet, because it has been in a clinical trial until recently so you are jumping the gun a little bit. Based on the results of the trial, it is estimated as many as 5,000 lives could have been saved if we were in a position to use the treatment earlier. That is not me knocking anyone, by the way, it was always going to take time to get treatments that were effective (and no doubt we will find treatments that are even more effective, or alternative treatments that will be effective on those people for whom dexamethasone is not effective). But, it highlights that this will save many lives globally, hopefully we will see the death rate curve dampen soon.