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    Originally posted by Organ Morgan. View Post
    You've got some neck rattling on about smugness and being a nut. Gaze into a mirror. You're the fella who claimed recently that Islam is a race. Your reasoning was beyond retarded.
    The former equalities commission chief should not be surprised that his claims about Muslims have come under scrutiny, says Conservative peer Sayeeda Warsi


    Sayeeda Warsi:

    I’m astonished that, after decades of research and policies that improved our understanding on race, anyone still believes racism is only about the shade of one’s skin. It is not. Antisemitism is a form of racism – directed at Jews who come in many shades, black, brown and white. Racism is a demonisation and negative stereotyping of a group or perceived group, irrespective of the colour of their face.

    The same is true for Muslims or those perceived to be Muslim. It’s why the All-Party Parliamentary Group on British Muslims, after wide consultation and evidence gathering, defined Islamophobia in 2018 as a “form of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness”.




    Omar Khan:

    Racism isn’t much understood in Britain in 2020. Exhibit A is Trevor Phillips suggesting that because “Muslims are not a race”, there is no such thing as anti-Muslim racism.

    Phillips has been suspended from the Labour party for alleged Islamophobia, but his line of thinking is common. Many have tried over the decades to explain why it isn’t right, and not just when it comes to Islamophobia. Of course Muslims are not a “race”, but they have been racialised. This means people who are Muslim are treated by particular societies as having essential characteristics that mark them as wholly different.

    The question is whether there is a set of attitudes and behaviours – racism – that is socially widespread and used to justify discrimination against a particular group. If we look at the history of racism itself, we see that it didn’t emerge through scientific investigations or empirically rigorous endeavours, but instead to provide a justification for the economic, political and social domination and exclusion of particular groups. This is why it makes sense to call antisemitism and Islamophobia forms of racism.

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      Could you move your bullshit race argument to another thread or perhaps another planet?

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        Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
        Would you have gone to the Leeds game if it was going ahead?
        I've been offered tickets for almost every home game this season and every single one since the start of November. Indeed, I've been offered as many as three or four tickets for some matches. However, before the game was postponed, nobody had offered me a ticket for Leeds, which suggests that everybody I know who has a season ticket was intending to go. I'd have certainly gone if I'd had a ticket.

        On the flip side, a friend in work has been looking for two tickets for the Wales v Scotland rugby game for several weeks as a relative from the USA is visiting and wanted to go. Try as she might, she couldn't get tickets until a couple of days ago, when plenty suddenly became available. Luckily for her, she held off buying any due to the rapidly escalating nature of the situation.

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          Originally posted by Welshcake. View Post
          Could you move your bullshit race argument to another thread or perhaps another planet?
          Hear, hear!

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            I was planning to attend the Leeds game but was going to switch from Public Transport to Driving as there is probably more risk getting to and from the game than being sat or standing outside for a few hours.

            Regarding the second, I can work from home so self isolating isn't a problem. Any meetings can be held by video conference. I know this isn't a solution for everyone but at least it means those who can't self isolate will come into contact with less people who do.

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              Originally posted by Rock_Flock_of_Five View Post
              Hear, hear!
              Are things getting back to normal in most of China now? No new cases of it so I imagine people will be going back to work, if they stopped?

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                Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                A couple of questions;

                1. Would you have gone to the Leeds game if it was going ahead? For myself, I was edging towards deciding not to in the hours before the decision to call it off was made, but hadn't decided for sure - although the forum I use says atrial fibrillation is not a condition which makes you more susceptible to Covid 19, some of its complications can be and, at 64, I cannot really put myself in the position that some are doing in this thread of saying for sure that they will get over it.
                2. This one is only for the naysayers on here who have been telling most of us we're being duped and it's all just a ploy - will you self isolate if you develop a fever or a persistent cough?
                1) No. I'm freelance, haven't worked for a while and have just spent a lot of our savings on a car () and if we get stood down at work I won't get sick pay and I don't know when my next paycheck would come so my feeling was even if going gives me a 1% chance of getting it it would be sensible not to go. It's only a football match.

                2) Not a naysayer but not self isolating in those circumstances would be incredibly arrogant and selfish

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                  Originally posted by goats View Post
                  Are things getting back to normal in most of China now? No new cases of it so I imagine people will be going back to work, if they stopped?
                  I saw it reported that there were only eight new cases recorded in China yesterday (other sources have said there were eleven) - have you seen something to say there were none today? Also, I notice that Apple have announced that they are closing all of their shops outside China - that could well be because the ones in China were closed already, but if it doesn't, then that's a sign of an improving picture there.

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                    Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                    I saw it reported that there were only eight new cases recorded in China yesterday (other sources have said there were eleven) - have you seen something to say there were none today? Also, I notice that Apple have announced that they are closing all of their shops outside China - that could well be because the ones in China were closed already, but if it doesn't, then that's a sign of an improving picture there.
                    THis is great from China

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                      Originally posted by delmbox View Post

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                        Originally posted by the other bob wilson View Post
                        I saw it reported that there were only eight new cases recorded in China yesterday (other sources have said there were eleven) - have you seen something to say there were none today? Also, I notice that Apple have announced that they are closing all of their shops outside China - that could well be because the ones in China were closed already, but if it doesn't, then that's a sign of an improving picture there.
                        I’m sure I heard or read it somewhere, so much info coming out it’s confusing to know where it came from. I’m sure rock-flock can update us, as he’s living there! Disneyland is open there I believe......

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                            I have just started to hear about people I know who have tested positive - including our new MP and her partner. As I'm due to be house sitting my 88 year old mam and 84 year old auntie all next week we are avoiding a few gatherings this weekend and pretty much staying away from other people. That was a change of outlook that came very very quickly. This time yesterday I was planning to spend this evening at someone's 60th birthday in a city centre pub.

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                              Originally posted by delmbox View Post
                              If true it is great news.

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                                I have driven back from Leistershire this morning, motorways are a bit quiet, plenty of traffic, but volume not what i usually encounter on the M6/M42/M5, maybe a good time for the highways to sort roadworks planned for the coming months ahead. quiet going up on Thursday but expected as I didn't leave until 19.00.

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