Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[lisvaneblue]

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I'd probably just check to see if Drakford has given any guidance on what constitutes an "indoor activity" under these guidelines since I doubt it'll have any impact on me...

Oh, look what I found: "In relation to organised activity, up to 15 people can take part in an indoors activity and up to 30 in outdoors activity, providing all social distancing, hand hygiene and other Covid safety measures are followed.

Mr Drakeford said an organised activity is defined by whether or not it has a body responsible for ensuring all regulations are being followed.

Asked to clarify whether organised activities include sports and local community gatherings, he said: "The essential way we define an organised activity is if there is a body responsible for taking charge of what the regulations require, which is that all reasonable measures have been to limit the risk of coronavirus in that setting.

"In sports, that's often a governing body. In a community centre, that can be the local management committee.

"But it is organised because there is an individual or an organisation who can be held to account for complying with the law, and that's why we will allow – during this winter in community centres – groups of up to 15 people to meet for organised indoor activities.

"I've thought very hard about that. I've agreed to it because during the four months from now until the end of February, we know it will be harder for people to meet outdoors and we need to provide more indoor opportunities.

"But they've got to be organised activities, they've got to be held under the control of an individual or an organisation who takes all the steps that the law requires in Wales to make sure that that activity is run, or that setting is organised, in a way that minimises the risk.

"Activities that take place outside the rules will very likely be in breach of the rules in Wales."

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/sport/...nised-19206512

Thanks for that. The local Bridge Club should be OK then.

[Hilts]

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Thank you for your concern. Im OK thanks and do understand. I was giving an example earlier of someone who didn't and was on TV suggesting that he could now meet up with his larger family.

I put a few thoughts forward as to what could possibly be interpreted as an organised in door gathering and asking what definitive guidance has been given.

Well he wasnt confused because he clearly understood he can now meet up with his family.

[The Bloop]

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Regardless of when it was booked are groups constituting more than the two house bubble allowed to meet in pubs and restaurants?

I doubt it very much but the rules concerning hospitality haven't been published yet have they?

[lisvaneblue]

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Well he wasnt confused because he clearly understood he can now meet up with his family.

Well he was confused because he had a son plus wife and kids living in one part of Wales, a daughter plus family in another part of Wales and he was looking forward to them all getting together

[Hilts]

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Well he was confused because he had a son plus wife and kids living in one part of Wales, a daughter plus family in another part of Wales and he was looking forward to them all getting together

Apologies. Didnt tie your last post on this correctly with the original. If he said his Daughter and his son and their children can meet up then hes correct. That can be their bubble.

You added that he was looking forward to meeting his family. Yeah he cant do that if theyve formed a bubble.

Its a good point. With the lifting of the travel restrictions I can see this happening. Even if there isnt confusion.

[Heisenberg]

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Thanks for that. The local Bridge Club should be OK then.

Absolutely. As long as they are "held under the control of an individual or an organisation who takes all the steps that the law requires in Wales to make sure that that activity is run, or that setting is organised, in a way that minimises the risk".

Can you keep a social distance of 2 metres from everyone whilst playing bridge, lisvaneblue?

[Heisenberg]

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Well he was confused because he had a son plus wife and kids living in one part of Wales, a daughter plus family in another part of Wales and he was looking forward to them all getting together

You didn't make that clear earlier (as shown by some of the responses from other posters) but I knew what you meant. It's still the guy's fault for not understanding the rules.

2 households allowed in a bubble, but in this instance the guy is talking about 3 households - which is clearly forbidden and clearly stated in the new restrictions.

[Hilts]

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Im suprised after a 17 day lockdown about the easing of some of these restrictions like travel.

The 17 day lockdown is bound to have an affect but to what extent.

Tieing in this lockdown with Half Term seems an obvious thing to do. Is it long enough though and would we have gone into longer one if Furlough had been extended and co ordinated with the rest of the UK.?

[Hilts]

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You didn't make that clear earlier (as shown by some of the responses from other posters) but I knew what you meant. It's still the guy's fault for not understanding the rules.

2 households allowed in a bubble, but in this instance the guy is talking about 3 households - which is clearly forbidden and clearly stated in the new restrictions.

Hopefully someone in the other 2 households realises and sticks to the rules.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Hopefully someone in the other 2 households realises and sticks to the rules.

This sort of thing has been my main concern during the firebreak lockdown and why I'm wondering how effective it will prove to be. Firstly, I'm not sure what percentage of people have understood the rules. But perhaps more importantly, I'm certain a significant percentage haven't really cared.

During the first lockdown, I thought most of the public reacted remarkably well to the restrictions. I live in a relatively quiet and secluded street, so you tend to notice visitors arriving. We were something like four or five weeks into the first lockdown before I saw anyone at all visit any of my neighbours. This time around we were just a day and a half into it when one of the neighbours was visited by her son, his partner and their kid. She's a nurse, incidentally. Meanwhile, other neighbours have also had visitors of one sort or another at various points during the last week.

I think ignorance of the rules is a significant factor, but I think lockdown fatigue is far more significant. Way back in March the experts predicted that the government could only expect the public to adhere to social restrictions for a limited amount of time before people started bending or ignoring the rules and I'm certain they were correct.

[Hilts]

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Its hard to disagree with that Gunman.

What would you like to see happen?

[Hilts]

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Unbelievable.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/politics/kitchener-school-cardiff-coronavirus-teacher-19212851#source=breaking-news

[Croesy Blue]

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This sort of thing has been my main concern during the firebreak lockdown and why I'm wondering how effective it will prove to be. Firstly, I'm not sure what percentage of people have understood the rules. But perhaps more importantly, I'm certain a significant percentage haven't really cared.

During the first lockdown, I thought most of the public reacted remarkably well to the restrictions. I live in a relatively quiet and secluded street, so you tend to notice visitors arriving. We were something like four or five weeks into the first lockdown before I saw anyone at all visit any of my neighbours. This time around we were just a day and a half into it when one of the neighbours was visited by her son, his partner and their kid. She's a nurse, incidentally. Meanwhile, other neighbours have also had visitors of one sort or another at various points during the last week.

I think ignorance of the rules is a significant factor, but I think lockdown fatigue is far more significant. Way back in March the experts predicted that the government could only expect the public to adhere to social restrictions for a limited amount of time before people started bending or ignoring the rules and I'm certain they were correct.

I think the Cummings saga had an effect too. They didn't even need to sack him, just give him a slap on the wrist but the fact they tried to weasel their way out of it really put people off.

[Croesy Blue]

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Unbelievable.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/p...=breaking-news

I think this is another problem would her not coming in mean she wouldn't earn at all?

It's still very selfish but if it's a difference between paying rent and not paying rent I think a fair few would do the same.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Its hard to disagree with that Gunman.

What would you like to see happen?

I honestly don't know. The restrictions have become so complicated, the messaging is so blurred and much of the population is simply sick to the back teeth of the whole thing, so I've no idea where we can realistically go from here. The so-called experts don't seem to be able to agree with one other, let alone the members of the public, while the politicians on all sides have made a complete mess of things since day one.

It's a grim situation and it looks set to get significantly worse in the coming months. If the Welsh firebreak lockdown has had a genuinely positive effect I think it would be a huge bonus as I reckon it would give people a bit of renewed optimism and focus minds a bit, but my hopes for that aren't high based on my own experiences.