Coronavirus update - NO MORE RESTRICTIONS

[Do me a Faerber]

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What gives you that impression?

If I ran my business from England, I would have to close down for the next 4 weeks at least, right at my busiest and most profitable time.

I run my business from Wales and, yes, it was a pain to close down for 2 weeks but I should be back up and running on Monday.

[Do me a Faerber]

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[The Lone Gunman]

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If I ran my business from England, I would have to close down for the next 4 weeks at least, right at my busiest and most profitable time.

I run my business from Wales and, yes, it was a pain to close down for 2 weeks but I should be back up and running on Monday.

Right. So, from your personal perspective, the WAG did the right thing. However, as far as I’m aware at least, there isn’t any genuine evidence yet as regards the effects of the 17-day firebreak lockdown and there won’t be for some time. It could have brought about a significant reduction in infections, it could have had a minor effect or it could have had no effect whatsoever. Nobody knows yet.

[Do me a Faerber]

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Right. So, from your personal perspective, the WAG did the right thing. However, as far as I’m aware at least, there isn’t any genuine evidence yet as regards the effects of the 17-day firebreak lockdown and there won’t be for some time. It could have brought about a significant reduction in infections, it could have had a minor effect or it could have had no effect whatsoever. Nobody knows yet.

Do you think, based on actions taken by the WAG so far, that they would be taking their foot off the brake if they had seen evidence that the circuit breaker wasn't working? You would have to agree that the data the WAG see is more detailed than the ones we are drip-fed in the press?

[The Lone Gunman]

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Do you think, based on actions taken by the WAG so far, that they would be taking their foot off the brake if they had seen evidence that the circuit breaker wasn't working? You would have to agree that the data the WAG see is more detailed than the ones we are drip-fed in the press?

From the moment this latest lockdown was first announced, Drakeford and Co have consistently stated it will end next week. I don’t think they would want to reverse that decision under any circumstances. Doing so would be a major political own goal and would drain any remaining confidence the public has in the WAG.

There is no way Drakeford had any concrete data as regards the success or otherwise of this lockdown before it started and he doesn’t have any now either. It’s too early for that.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Right. So, from your personal perspective, the WAG did the right thing. However, as far as I’m aware at least, there isn’t any genuine evidence yet as regards the effects of the 17-day firebreak lockdown and there won’t be for some time. It could have brought about a significant reduction in infections, it could have had a minor effect or it could have had no effect whatsoever. Nobody knows yet.

From what I understand on 22nd September SAGE presented some alarming modelling which in the following days became available to all parts of the UK. Wales, ultimately, based on that evidence went for a short very restrictive lockdown. England, via the UK government decided not to at that time and ridiculed the need before succumbing a few weeks later and going for a longer later set of measures because "no one could have forseen how malignant the virus was".

Like you say the proof will be in the pudding.

[xsnaggle]

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My only concern with this is the number of people allowed in a home.
15 is a lot of people in the average house, and given that, as Drakeford said, the biggest source of new infections is family and community.
It is not as if those 15 or less family members are never going to come into close contact with others whether at work or neighbours or shopping locally. I hope they got that right.

[Hilts]

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My only concern with this is the number of people allowed in a home.
15 is a lot of people in the average house, and given that, as Drakeford said, the biggest source of new infections is family and community.
It is not as if those 15 or less family members are never going to come into close contact with others whether at work or neighbours or shopping locally. I hope they got that right.

Its 15 indoors for organised activities isnt it?

Not 15 in a house.

Households is 2 households in a bubble.

[xsnaggle]

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Its 15 indoors for organised activities isnt it?

Not 15 in a house.

Households is 2 households in a bubble.

Ah OK. Misread it. But what if they're sex people?
But seriously, it is family meetings that are most likely to spread the thing. Whilst older people who live alone need a visitor and support I think any family should consider what was said about the minimum needed to be done rather than the most that can be done

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Ah OK. Misread it. But what if they're sex people?
But seriously, it is family meetings that are most likely to spread the thing. Whilst older people who live alone need a visitor and support I think any family should consider what was said about the minimum needed to be done rather than the most that can be done

Absolutely spot on.

Plenty of people moaning that they can only do this or only do that. They should be asking if they need to do those things, if they are imperative.

[Croesy Blue]

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"...they are learning as they go..."

You 100 per cent about that?

Learning as they go seems very generous considering they had the wave in China, then Italy, then here in the spring, then Spain and France again.

And yet we’ve made the same mistakes locking down in England too late again. And still don’t have a good way to test or track and trace despite millions being siphoned off to Boris’s mates.

Seems like we’ve made exactly the same mistakes as we did in the summer. Just waiting to see which tourist destination that twat Cummings is driving to, to test his eyesight this time.

[blue matt]

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If I ran my business from England, I would have to close down for the next 4 weeks at least, right at my busiest and most profitable time.

I run my business from Wales and, yes, it was a pain to close down for 2 weeks but I should be back up and running on Monday.

Shops open at their busiest times too, including mine. A 4 week lockdown would have meant me laying off my only employee.

you could have extended Furlough **, its been extended for Nov

( ** same help has been given to the self employed, IF you business has been effected in any way due to covid )

[lardy]

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Learning as they go seems very generous considering they had the wave in China, then Italy, then here in the spring, then Spain and France again.

And yet we’ve made the same mistakes locking down in England too late again. And still don’t have a good way to test or track and trace despite millions being siphoned off to Boris’s mates.

Seems like we’ve made exactly the same mistakes as we did in the summer. Just waiting to see which tourist destination that twat Cummings is driving to, to test his eyesight this time.

They'll be learning it all again during the next lockdown in early 2021.

[lisvaneblue]

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Its 15 indoors for organised activities isnt it?

Not 15 in a house.

Households is 2 households in a bubble.

This is already a source of confusion. An individual on the news last night said how pleased he is that his son and family who live in one part of Wales and his daughter who lives in another part plus the grandchildren could all get together at last.

[Heisenberg]

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This is already a source of confusion. An individual on the news last night said how pleased he is that his son and family who live in one part of Wales and his daughter who lives in another part plus the grandchildren could all get together at last.

It's not a "source of confusion" though, is it? It's people not being able to read things properly.

Both the indoor activity numbers and the household bubbles are mentioned separately - yet someone off the street who was interviewed by a news reporter doesn't understand what's happening and thinks he can have the full cast of his family tree 'round for cake.

I guess that's Drakeford's fault?