Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

[life on mars]

Keir Starmer has sacked Sam Tarry from the Labour front bench for appearing on a rail strike picket line.

Mr Tarry, who was the shadow transport minister and is in a relationship with Angela Rayner, joined a picket line at Euston Station on Wednesday morning

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

Starmer again trying to impress people who’d probably never vote for him and his party.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

Torn on this. The whole solidarity thing seems like a load of bollocks, basically just MPs hoovering up sentiment by hijacking a strike that they have nothing to do with. Just say you support working and move on and do your job.

The reason I'm torn is labours strategy over the strikes appears to already be out of date and they are too robotic to be flexible and move with public opinion. They have chosen the precise moment that broad sentiment may have actually tilted in favour of workers who strike, to oppose strikes in order appear 'pragmatic' and 'ready for government'. They just look stupid.

Starmer 2022 is Theresa May 2017, gaining decent support from people put off by the other side, which isn't a secure place to be electorally.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

Having read a bit more about this, it looks completely right he was sacked. He made an unauthorised media appearance and essentially decided to just make up a new policy on behalf of the leadership.

[Dorcus]

Re: Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

Tarry a tad longer Sam

[Doucas]

Re: Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

What's the point of labour if they won't stand up for workers? May as well have another 5 years of tories. I can't vote for Starmer on this path especially after he lied to become Labour leader.

[Lither_1927]

Re: Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

What's the point of labour if they won't stand up for workers? May as well have another 5 years of tories. I can't vote for Starmer on this path especially after he lied to become Labour leader.

Starmer's Labour are fine with neo liberal economics

[Dave Blue]

Re: Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

Starmer again trying to impress people who’d probably never vote for him and his party.

In a nutshell.

[life on mars]

Re: Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

Angela says ;

Grant Shapps spent more time on his doomed leadership bid than on resolving the strikes. It’s a serious dereliction of duty.

Labour will always defend the right of working people to organise and withdraw their labour - to stand up for services, public safety, defend jobs & pay.
7:59 AM · Jul 27, 2022

Her ex a public service union official is worth a bit

https://www.newsunzip.com/wiki/mark-rayner/

[jon1959]

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More stupidity and self-harm from Starmer.

Although if the end game is to break the organisational, financial and political link with the unions, reduce the membership to more of a passive rump (with no need for grass-roots activists because electioneering will be by national advertising campaigns) and to fund the party through corporate donors, billionaires and third party agencies (tied to 'friendly' governments), he is well on the way.

No doubt Peter Mandelson is beaming.

[Claude Blue]

Re: Labour Turn To Implode Angela Won't Be Happy

More stupidity and self-harm from Starmer.

Although if the end game is to break the organisational, financial and political link with the unions, reduce the membership to more of a passive rump (with no need for grass-roots activists because electioneering will be by national advertising campaigns) and to fund the party through corporate donors, billionaires and third party agencies (tied to 'friendly' governments), he is well on the way.

No doubt Peter Mandelson is beaming.

Do you think a junior shadow minister should do a media round and make up party policy on the hoof without first getting permission from his boss and the party leader?

No wonder his own CLP are on the verge of kicking him out.

[jon1959]

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Do you think a junior shadow minister should do a media round and make up party policy on the hoof without first getting permission from his boss and the party leader?

No wonder his own CLP are on the verge of kicking him out.

It was an own goal and rightly pissed off most trade unions. I doubt it plays that well with the public either.

Total hypocrisy too - I didn't see Rachel Reeves getting the boot for 'making up' Labour policy earlier in the week. Or is the main factor whether it comes from a junior or a senior shadow minister? Or whether the interviews come from a Starmer loyalist or someone who backs striking workers in the middle of a cost of living crisis?

[Claude Blue]

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It was an own goal and rightly pissed off most trade unions. I doubt it plays that well with the public either.

Total hypocrisy too - I didn't see Rachel Reeves getting the boot for 'making up' Labour policy earlier in the week. Or is the main factor whether it comes from a junior or a senior shadow minister? Or whether the interviews come from a Starmer loyalist or someone who backs striking workers in the middle of a cost of living crisis?

The public i.e. the voters that REALLY matter tend to like strong leadership so I suspect it'll actually play well.

With regard to Reeves, are you referring to the renationalising or tax cuts comments?

[jon1959]

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The public i.e. the voters that REALLY matter tend to like strong leadership so I suspect it'll actually play well.

With regard to Reeves, are you referring to the renationalising or tax cuts comments?

We will have to agree to disagree on whether Starmer is showing strong leadership. In my view it is spineless and a betrayal of the party he leads and the people he is there to represent. FWIW last month many more of the public (who REALLY matter) backed the strikes than opposed them, and support was rising. That's from the Daily Mail not The Canary!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10960125/Poll-shows-support-rail-strikes-INCREASED-45-CENT.html

I have spent most of my adult life as a Labour Party member (over 30 years), usually under right wing leaders, but always felt able to fully participate, campaign and canvass, and hold office. But with Starmer - after that catalogue of cynical lies he told to win the leadership election - I just reached a tipping point. I quit last November - although the Labour Party refuses to accept my resignation (despite phone calls, emails and cancelled direct debits) until I register on their How To Resign portal and follow the on-line divorce procedure. Membership is down by about 200,000 under Starmer if you include the lapsed figures.

On Reeves I was referring to the re-nationalisation comments.

[Doucas]

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We will have to agree to disagree on whether Starmer is showing strong leadership. In my view it is spineless and a betrayal of the party he leads and the people he is there to represent. FWIW last month many more of the public (who REALLY matter) backed the strikes than opposed them, and support was rising. That's from the Daily Mail not The Canary!

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10960125/Poll-shows-support-rail-strikes-INCREASED-45-CENT.html

I have spent most of my adult life as a Labour Party member (over 30 years), usually under right wing leaders, but always felt able to fully participate, campaign and canvass, and hold office. But with Starmer - after that catalogue of cynical lies he told to win the leadership election - I just reached a tipping point. I quit last November - although the Labour Party refuses to accept my resignation (despite phone calls, emails and cancelled direct debits) until I register on their How To Resign portal and follow the on-line divorce procedure. Membership is down by about 200,000 under Starmer if you include the lapsed figures.

On Reeves I was referring to the re-nationalisation comments.

I quit Labour about a year ago as well, they do not stand for working people. Just another neoliberal to keep the rich rich and make sure workers get screwed. We need a national strike.