I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

[JamesWales]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

What turned me away for Labour was this idea that what they say is the only way , withing its ranks there is some serious nastiness ,now that exists in every party its however when a party runs on a ticket of equality , inclusiveness , not for the few but the many , no bullying , no harassment , female opportunities in the top job, not racist etc etc its best they are that ????????????..

I don't won't to fall out with anyone but being pragmatic and balanced is a wonderful skill and being able to say how one feels without being called some pathetic name or a Tory , Right wing , Gammon face, and other slurs , I do note as well that the Tories are not so insulting of others in such a direct or insulting way , or carrying placards that on occasions are very offensive and of a violent nature ..

Totally agree on this. Even on this thread, the themes and buzzwords are always hatred, fascism, scum, toxicity. Quite frankly it's not pleasant, and it's off putting. Literally the only 'hatred' I ever see on Facebook is from a small minority of my left wing friends aimed toward anyone with a different opinion. There are worse hatreds out there of course, but very few so brazenly displayed. On CCMB, it's largely the same.

I generally am pretty mixed on both main parties policies. There are good and bad with them both and 90% of the policies are the same in practice. The tone associated with Labour hasn't been nice in recent years though.

I particularly found the way a drunken Angela Rayner casually labelled people scum and was cheered by an equally drunken boozy crowd particularly grim.

Although that particular incident happened on his watch, thats why I think Starmer is a bit of a breath of fresh air, in that he is fundementally a polite, decent, honourable bloke.

[Dorcus]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

Thanks, but what does he stand for and how would he help workers and the vulnerable?

Yes concede on that one: I'm not sure he stands for anything really although I found his views on Brexit refreshing.

I doubt he would help any vulnerable and/or impoverished group apart from helping to hasten the demise of this current abomination. Totally agree he's no Socialist so he wouldn't get my endorsement otherwise.

[Doucas]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

Yes concede on that one: I'm not sure he stands for anything really although I found his views on Brexit refreshing.

I doubt he would help any vulnerable and/or impoverished group apart from helping to hasten the demise of this current abomination. Totally agree he's no Socialist so he wouldn't get my endorsement otherwise.

Thanks for trying but this is why I can't vote for him, I don't know what he stands for, he's basically a tory and he's a proven liar. As far as I can tell nothing will change.

[Doucas]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

A revolutionary policy by Starmer here.

Getting rid of pre-payment premiums which amounts to a poultry £43 a year. That's the best he has.

This country is utterly ****ed.

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1558031441400942593?t=DI5MH215q2qPTpxPyucpSA&s=19

[jon1959]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

https://twitter.com/graceblakeley/status/1558034558393761792

The Labour leadership is hamstrung by its own rigid and incoherent ideology, based on two nonsensical dogmas:

1. If Jeremy Corbyn said it, we can’t say it.

2. We have to ‘balance the books’.

[Claude Blue]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

https://twitter.com/graceblakeley/st...34558393761792

The Labour leadership is hamstrung by its own rigid and incoherent ideology, based on two nonsensical dogmas:

1. If Jeremy Corbyn said it, we can’t say it.

2. We have to ‘balance the books’.

Blimey Jon, you'll be quoting Owen Jones, Seamus Milne and Aaron Bastani next

[jon1959]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

Blimey Jon, you'll be quoting Owen Jones, Seamus Milne and Aaron Bastani next

I probably will. My weakness is that I agree with them a lot of the time.

[Claude Blue]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

I probably will. My weakness is that I agree with them a lot of the time.

I used to like OJ but latterly I do feel he's gone a bit crazy and I see him as just a grifter these days, hungry for clicks and likes.

The other two are all yours. One of Corbyns many failings was having a very poor group of advisors around him.

[Dorcus]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

I used to like OJ but latterly I do feel he's gone a bit crazy and I see him as just a grifter these days, hungry for clicks and likes.

The other two are all yours. One of Corbyns many failings was having a very poor group of advisors around him.

A massive faiiling was his Brexit policy. Here was a wonderful man, adulated by the young, not championing the single most important issue of their lifetimes. Many looked upon him as a beacon of hope in distressing times but he failed to support them.

[Feedback]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

A massive faiiling was his Brexit policy. Here was a wonderful man, adulated by the young, not championing the single most important issue of their lifetimes. Many looked upon him as a beacon of hope in distressing times but he failed to support them.

I thought Brexit policy under Corbyn was clear cut - the electorate decided on Brexit and therefore the electorate can choose the form of Brexit they want.

[Eric Cartman]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

I thought Brexit policy under Corbyn was clear cut - the electorate decided on Brexit and therefore the electorate can choose the form of Brexit they want.

It was clear, you are correct. The ambiguity was a projection from Brexiteers onto Remainers, in essence 'come on then, tell us how we do it without wrecking everything?!', if they didn't, they were anti-British.

[JamesWales]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

It was clear, you are correct. The ambiguity was a projection from Brexiteers onto Remainers, in essence 'come on then, tell us how we do it without wrecking everything?!', if they didn't, they were anti-British.

I don't recollect that. Nothing wrong whatsoever with people who voted Remain being involved in the formulation of ideas into the implementation of Brexit.

The issue always was with people who refused to accept the referendum result. It was a shameful position to take and a stupid one, because ultimately, from their perspective they made it worse, refusing to support May's Brexit and creating the conditions for Boris's

[life on mars]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

Phew Sir Kier is back from his holiday to save the nation , Gordon Brown is stepping back ..

Do you ever notice Tories can't have holidays, but folk like Sir Kier escape the media frenzy ??

And we think it's a right wing lead media 😆

[life on mars]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

[QUOTE=JamesWales;5332471]I don't recollect that. Nothing wrong whatsoever with people who voted Remain being involved in the formulation of ideas into the implementation of Brexit.

The issue always was with people who refused to accept the referendum result. It was a shameful position to take and a stupid one, because ultimately, from their perspective they made it worse, refusing to support May's Brexit and creating the conditions for Boris's[/QUOTE7]

72.2% of electorate voted to leave including millions of Labour voters .

Sir Kier votes many times to overturn that vote ??

Labour Party though support strikes that have woeful % of voters causing untold pain for poor folk needing transport, delivery of critical items of mail teaching , health ...

If I was Sir Kier I'd say yes to inflation boosting rises , however when inflation drops as does your wage

[Doucas]

Re: I Hate Keir Starmer - Tom Whyman - Gawker

Phew Sir Kier is back from his holiday to save the nation , Gordon Brown is stepping back ..

Do you ever notice Tories can't have holidays, but folk like Sir Kier escape the media frenzy ??

And we think it's a right wing lead media ��

Kier isn't in charge of the government? I'm not a fan of him but surely you can see the glaring difference.

Is Robert Murchdoch not right wing then? How about the Rothermere family that supported the nazis in the past? Did the BBC not put a Russian hat on Corbyn and put the kremlin behind him despite the fact it was the tories who were taking Russian money?

It's a fact the majority of the media is right wing, but I guess you guys love crying about how you're the victims and called scum because of your horrific policies.

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