Prince William inherits £1bn estate

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you are extremely naïve.

Wasn't it Orwell who said Britain was like a wealthy family that maintains a guilty silence about the sources of its wealth.

Has anyone disputed where lots of the UK's current wealth has come from?

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I have not said Britain played no part in the slave trade. My comment was that it never occurred on this island, which was specifically referred to.

You stated "My comment was in response to your claim that slavery was part of UK's history."
It was indeed part of the UK's history - but I see no point in going around in circles.
I'll leave it at that.

[Rjk]

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Has anyone disputed where lots of the UK's current wealth has come from?

is that not part of the UK'S history?

[chrisp_1927]

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how about the 12 million quid that they paid to the girl that Andrew nonced.
should that be free from inheritance tax?

Careful slating Andrew. Didn't work out too well for a bloke in Edinburgh today. Evidently pedos have to be respected after their mum has died.

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You stated "My comment was in response to your claim that slavery was part of UK's history."
It was indeed part of the UK's history - but I see no point in going around in circles.
I'll leave it at that.

Slavery was not part of the UKs history. Empire yes, but it was never legal in the UK.

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is that not part of the UK'S history?

No, as its never been legal, there have been no slave markets and any slave that set foot on British soil was deemed to be a freeman.

[jon1959]

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Slavery was not part of the UKs history. Empire yes, but it was never legal in the UK.

Slavery may not have been legal within the UK after the Norman Conquest (although indentured servitude was - and became a sentence of UK courts) but slavery ran through UK history like a seaside name in a stick of rock. Not just the big slave traders and the wealth (over centuries) of ports like London, Bristol and Liverpool - but also the income and interests of vast numbers of ordinary people with a financial stake in ‘the trade’.

It was 100% ‘legal’ for someone living in the UK to invest in and benefit from the Atlantic slave trade. It was therefore absolutely part of the UK’s history. That history would have been dramatically different without ‘the trade’.

To argue otherwise is pedantic nit picking of a ludicrous kind.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Slavery may not have been legal within the UK after the Norman Conquest (although indentured servitude was - and became a sentence of UK courts) but slavery ran through UK history like a seaside name in a stick of rock. Not just the big slave traders and the wealth (over centuries) of ports like London, Bristol and Liverpool - but also the income and interests of vast numbers of ordinary people with a financial stake in ‘the trade’.

It was 100% ‘legal’ for someone living in the UK to invest in and benefit from the Atlantic slave trade. It was therefore absolutely part of the UK’s history. That history would have been dramatically different without ‘the trade’.

To argue otherwise is pedantic nit picking of a ludicrous kind.

Indeed.

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Slavery may not have been legal within the UK after the Norman Conquest (although indentured servitude was - and became a sentence of UK courts) but slavery ran through UK history like a seaside name in a stick of rock. Not just the big slave traders and the wealth (over centuries) of ports like London, Bristol and Liverpool - but also the income and interests of vast numbers of ordinary people with a financial stake in ‘the trade’.

It was 100% ‘legal’ for someone living in the UK to invest in and benefit from the Atlantic slave trade. It was therefore absolutely part of the UK’s history. That history would have been dramatically different without ‘the trade’.

To argue otherwise is pedantic nit picking of a ludicrous kind.

If slavery ran through the UK all you need to do is show me where the slave markets were held? The undeniable fact is that no slaves were brought to the UK to be bought, sold or traded. Our merchants may have been involved in the (triangular) slave trade, but the UK was not involved and certainly did not encourage it.

And there is a difference between a debtors/penal colony such as Georgia or New South Wales and slavery. In the case of the former you can work off your debt/punishment whereas in the case of the latter manumission was very rare indeed.

[jon1959]

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If slavery ran through the UK all you need to do is show me where the slave markets were held? The undeniable fact is that no slaves were brought to the UK to be bought, sold or traded. Our merchants may have been involved in the (triangular) slave trade, but the UK was not involved and certainly did not encourage it.

And there is a difference between a debtors/penal colony such as Georgia or New South Wales and slavery. In the case of the former you can work off your debt/punishment whereas in the case of the latter manumission was very rare indeed.

Why are you persisting with this nonsense?

The slave trade enriched cities in Britain (pre UK), it enriched a large swathe of the population (not just merchants and aristocratic investors) and it funded the industrial revolution. You cannot understand the history of Britain without acknowledging the impact of the slave trade. To reduce ‘UK history’ to what was on the statute book at a particular time is plain perverse.

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Why are you persisting with this nonsense?

The slave trade enriched cities in Britain (pre UK), it enriched a large swathe of the population (not just merchants and aristocratic investors) and it funded the industrial revolution. You cannot understand the history of Britain without acknowledging the impact of the slave trade. To reduce ‘UK history’ to what was on the statute book at a particular time is plain perverse.

Slavery did not fund the industrial revolution. The UK finance system was way ahead of its time and is why London is still the financial capital of the world. If anyone is talking nonsense, its you.

You'll also need to explain how UK cities got fat off slavery. The Industrial revolution happened in the early 19th century, by which time slavery had been shown to be illegal in the UK and the British government had already taken an active role is stopping the slave trade. By this time the UK had lost its first empire with the 13 colonies forming their own government - a government who turned a blind eye to slavery. The wealth of the UK came not from slavery, but the trading network that was built up via the protection of the Royal Navy.

[Rjk]

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Slavery did not fund the industrial revolution. The UK finance system was way ahead of its time and is why London is still the financial capital of the world. If anyone is talking nonsense, its you.

You'll also need to explain how UK cities got fat off slavery. The Industrial revolution happened in the early 19th century, by which time slavery had been shown to be illegal in the UK and the British government had already taken an active role is stopping the slave trade. By this time the UK had lost its first empire with the 13 colonies forming their own government - a government who turned a blind eye to slavery. The wealth of the UK came not from slavery, but the trading network that was built up via the protection of the Royal Navy.

so imperialism you mean?

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so imperialism you mean?

No, Imperialism is a political aim. It was mercantilism, then capitalism, which are economic systems (that allowed the UK to flourish).

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/sep/13/king-charles-will-not-pay-tax-on-inheritance-from-the-queen

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...from-the-queen

Keep up, TOBW, old fruit. This matter has raised in numerous posts in this thread. See post #4 in this thread by yours truly.