Rodger Waters ..........fading rock star

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Rodger Waters ..........fading rock star

Spot on son At this time it wasn't wise to use his platform to take digs at a country invaded by putin its called elitism and rich arrogance , ffs even I knew that comment would hurt folk in Poland especially relatives of the dead

It was a criticism of a specific politician. It wasn't 'a dig at a country'.

[life on mars]

Re: Rodger Waters ..........fading rock star

You are yet to comment about what he specifically said, some of which may be utter nonsense. Instead you fire of rhetorical questions, none of which throw any illumination on his specific comments.

If you say so .

I was simply pointing out the fact he mentions Ukraine's part in this, but fails to address the mitigating circumstances that has lead up to this which is the invasion of Crimea in 2014 and the fact the Ukrainians disarmed its weapons if neither had happened Russia would not be there now .

If he had supplemented his argument with this and mentioned more about the tragic deaths not just there but in parts of Africa , where Ukraine Grain is key to saving lives and a brick in the wall of their existence , rather than pointing a narrow stupid finger it would have sounded a lot better , drugs , caviar and champers must have been not working well that day for him.

I'm sure an apology is on the way via twitter

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Rodger Waters ..........fading rock star

It was a criticism of a specific politician. It wasn't 'a dig at a country'.

For 'specific poltician' read 'specific politicians'.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Rodger Waters ..........fading rock star

If you say so .

I was simply pointing out the fact he mentions Ukraine's part in this, but fails to address the mitigating circumstances that has lead up to this which is the invasion of Crimea in 2014 and the fact the Ukrainians disarmed its weapons if neither had happened Russia would not be there now .

If he had supplemented his argument with this and mentioned more about the tragic deaths not just there but in parts of Africa , where Ukraine Grain is key to saving lives and a brick in the wall of their existence , rather than pointing a narrow stupid finger it would have sounded a lot better , drugs , caviar and champers must have been not working well that day for him.

I'm sure an apology is on the way via twitter

Ah, so you ignore what he said and ask a question about what he may or may not have said about something else (and what you don't have the answer for). Great analysis.

[life on mars]

Re: Rodger Waters ..........fading rock star

The man is a lunatic using his rich platform and fans love

https://www.brooklynvegan.com/roger-waters-defends-calling-joe-biden-a-war-criminal-other-controversial-political-views/

https://eu.dispatch.com/story/entertainment/music/2022/08/11/roger-waters-concert-filled-with-hits-political-statements/10250187002/

He is a gobby rich knob who should move over and let the better Pink Floyd carry on playing music not gobbing off

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6pPQwzPdNE

[life on mars]

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Ah, so you ignore what he said and ask a question about what he may or may not have said about something else (and what you don't have the answer for). Great analysis.

I know what below is the open letter , he said and its shit and its below and straight from the Corbyn playbook ,why should Ukraine accept being invaded and what its people die , do you think that Putin would stop there if they didn't show a fight or call for more support ,

They should restrain with Crimea and got rid of its nukes isn't that some for of appeasement ( is this the sort of appeasement Walters suggests did that stop Putin god no .

Putin is pure evil and the needs to be taken out.. Perhaps Roger can hep put him up

Earlier this month, Waters, who regularly leads audiences in the refrain “we don’t need no education,” fired off an open letter to Ukrainian First Lady Olena Zelenska after she appeared in a BBC interview and urged continued support for her country. Waters wrote to condemn “the West continuing to supply arms to the Kiev government’s armies,” suggesting that those who do so “have already declared an interest in the war going on for as long as possible.”

He then added a list of action items she should pass on to her husband (why he’s not kvetching to him directly, I couldn’t tell you) and pinned the war's blame on President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's refusal to accept a policy of appeasement toward Vladimir Putin. “The extreme nationalists,” he wrote, “have set your country on the path to this disastrous war.”

“Sadly, your old man," he condescendingly continued, "agreed to those totalitarian, anti-democratic dismissals of the will of the Ukrainian people, and the forces of extreme nationalism that had lurked, malevolent, in the shadows, have, since then, ruled the Ukraine.”

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I am no fan of Roger Waters whatsoever and I have no wish to be aligned with him in any way - but I think it would be helpful if his specific comments were to be addressed as this thread is about that very subject.
Some of his comments have resonated with intellectuals and veteran war correspondents and it is useful to learn as much about the war in Ukraine and what led to it happening. The Russians are 'to blame' but there are legitimate questions as to whether the invasion could have been avoided. There was widespread criticism of widespread corruption in Ukraine (including political corruption) and Zelenskey was heavily criticised regarding broken promises to the areas most involved in the conflict at present.
I have visited north and south Ukraine (and stayed with families there), I have Ukrainian friends who had to flee Kyiv (and move to the Romanian border for safety), I volunteer for a charity that helps Ukranians and I worked for the MoD in an 'International Relations' department. None of that makes me an expert in any way shape or form. However, it makes me more interested in not only what is happening but what led to what happened and whether it could have been avoided etc.
I like to take in information from all sorts of sources without aligning myself with any of them. One thing I am certain of is that I certainly don't know enough and am keen to learn as much as I can.
Geo-politics are very complicated and requires a great deal of research, methinks. However, I do get the impression that you have an answer to everything without actually adding any nuance to the debate.
Yes, the Russians are at fault. That goes without saying. However, not being able to criticise those who may have made the invasion and its consequenes more likely is a legitimate comment, regardless of who says it and what other bollocks they may spout.
Your synopses of the subject matter come over as less than nuanced, old fruit.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I know what below is the open letter , he said and its shit and its below and straight from the Corbyn playbook ,why should Ukraine accept being invaded and what its people die , do you think that Putin would stop there if they didn't show a fight or call for more support ,

They should restrain with Crimea and got rid of its nukes isn't that some for of appeasement ( is this the sort of appeasement Walters suggests did that stop Putin god no .

Putin is pure evil and the needs to be taken out.. Perhaps Roger can hep put him up

Earlier this month, Waters, who regularly leads audiences in the refrain “we don’t need no education,” fired off an open letter to Ukrainian First Lady Olena Zelenska after she appeared in a BBC interview and urged continued support for her country. Waters wrote to condemn “the West continuing to supply arms to the Kiev government’s armies,” suggesting that those who do so “have already declared an interest in the war going on for as long as possible.”

He then added a list of action items she should pass on to her husband (why he’s not kvetching to him directly, I couldn’t tell you) and pinned the war's blame on President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's refusal to accept a policy of appeasement toward Vladimir Putin. “The extreme nationalists,” he wrote, “have set your country on the path to this disastrous war.”

“Sadly, your old man," he condescendingly continued, "agreed to those totalitarian, anti-democratic dismissals of the will of the Ukrainian people, and the forces of extreme nationalism that had lurked, malevolent, in the shadows, have, since then, ruled the Ukraine.”

That's great. Valid comments about what he said. That's all it requires.

[Dorcus]

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I know what below is the open letter , he said and its shit and its below and straight from the Corbyn playbook ,why should Ukraine accept being invaded and what its people die , do you think that Putin would stop there if they didn't show a fight or call for more support ,

They should restrain with Crimea and got rid of its nukes isn't that some for of appeasement ( is this the sort of appeasement Walters suggests did that stop Putin god no .

Putin is pure evil and the needs to be taken out.. Perhaps Roger can hep put him up

Earlier this month, Waters, who regularly leads audiences in the refrain “we don’t need no education,” fired off an open letter to Ukrainian First Lady Olena Zelenska after she appeared in a BBC interview and urged continued support for her country. Waters wrote to condemn “the West continuing to supply arms to the Kiev government’s armies,” suggesting that those who do so “have already declared an interest in the war going on for as long as possible.”

He then added a list of action items she should pass on to her husband (why he’s not kvetching to him directly, I couldn’t tell you) and pinned the war's blame on President Volodymyr Zelenskyy's refusal to accept a policy of appeasement toward Vladimir Putin. “The extreme nationalists,” he wrote, “have set your country on the path to this disastrous war.”

“Sadly, your old man," he condescendingly continued, "agreed to those totalitarian, anti-democratic dismissals of the will of the Ukrainian people, and the forces of extreme nationalism that had lurked, malevolent, in the shadows, have, since then, ruled the Ukraine.”

Oy vey, "kvetching"? Do you speak fluent Yiddish by the way?

[life on mars]

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Daft old tit wrote an open letter slagging off Ukraine before a series of concerts in Poland , Ukraines main Ally

Concerts cancelled

I hope they stick him in a home

Hasn't made any decent music for years and sings like a dying cat

You are so wrong tits are useful and pretty things

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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That's great. Valid comments about what he said. That's all it requires.

I will have to go away and ponder the profound points made

[ToTaL ITK]

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I live for a tangent , my favourite band were Tangent Dream .

Al debates /views head off in different trajectory this is not bloody Russia

This is about a rich privileged goby fecker who thinks he some sort of saint up there with the others like Bono , all I want musicians to do is , same goes ex rich footballer commentators .

In what I've written what is spurious other than my last line ??

you live for a tangerine dream...who in the 1969 released an album called "what! you put in" which is somewhat ironic.