Project fear was right all along.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

Now let's take a look at the same graph but up to August this year instead of May.

https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1562814119639601152?t=dDKeOKM4ZGRb_p4WXb75zA&s=19

I've said this repeatedly on this board that you have a bunch of right wingers who don't understand data. You cherry pick information and apply your own narrative to it in the face of overwhelming evidence and act as if its fact.

Why are you getting worked up over a graph, it's all nonsense designed to keep you distracted. The real power players operate in the shadows, and they are the ones who you should be concerned about.

[Pilkers]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

Now let's take a look at the same graph but up to August this year instead of May.

https://twitter.com/ChrisGiles_/status/1562814119639601152?t=dDKeOKM4ZGRb_p4WXb75zA&s=19

I've said this repeatedly on this board that you have a bunch of right wingers who don't understand data. You cherry pick information and apply your own narrative to it in the face of overwhelming evidence and act as if its fact.

Even if it was accurate matching Germany GDP when there's a war on their doorstep and being so heavily reliant on imported energy from Russia is hardly a reason to gloat.

If you track accurate up to date output from before the UK voted Brexit to the latest release and factor sterling devaluation then UK output is 70% the size of Germany, it was 90% before Brexit. Thats a £700 billion spread on output. For Wales particularly there is no economic upside leaving the EU, none whatsoever, only downside, it's just made us even more heavily reliant on block grant trickle down from a central source that is struggling to retain fiscal solvency.

[Dorcus]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

Even if it was accurate matching Germany GDP when there's a war on their doorstep and being so heavily reliant on imported energy from Russia is hardly a reason to gloat.

If you track accurate up to date output from before the UK voted Brexit to the latest release and factor sterling devaluation then UK output is 70% the size of Germany, it was 90% before Brexit. Thats a £700 billion spread on output. For Wales particularly there is no economic upside leaving the EU, none whatsoever, only downside, it's just made us even more heavily reliant on block grant trickle down from a central source that is struggling to retain fiscal solvency.

I think we'll have another EU referendum within 5 years and it'll be a decidedly huge vote in favour of rejoining. These scary last few weeks might well have sealed Brexit's fate for good.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

I think we'll have another EU referendum within 5 years and it'll be a decidedly huge vote in favour of rejoining. These scary last few weeks might well have sealed Brexit's fate for good.

The EU probably won't even exist in 5 years, so good luck with that.

[Doucas]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

The EU probably won't even exist in 5 years, so good luck with that.

Neither will most brexiters.

[Pilkers]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

I think we'll have another EU referendum within 5 years and it'll be a decidedly huge vote in favour of rejoining. These scary last few weeks might well have sealed Brexit's fate for good.

Will there be a UK in 5 years? Maybe, doubt it will still exist in 10 years time thou. Surely the time the Scots will leave if they are allowed another referendum, reunification of Ireland also looking inevitable in the next decade.

[Pilkers]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

The EU probably won't even exist in 5 years, so good luck with that.

After the complete monumental clusterfuk the UK has made of leaving the EU I'm calling that it most certainly will.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

Neither will most brexiters.

True, we lost 5 people from my street during the past week, I'm not sure if they were evil brexiteers or good remainers though.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

After the complete monumental clusterfuk the UK has made of leaving the EU I'm calling that it most certainly will.

Unless you are pulling the strings behind the scenes, then you have no say in the future direction of the world.

[Dorcus]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

Will there be a UK in 5 years? Maybe, doubt it will still exist in 10 years time thou. Surely the time the Scots will leave if they are allowed another referendum, reunification of Ireland also looking inevitable in the next decade.

Yes you're right and I'm taking the reunification of Ireland as a given. Scotland might prove different however with the removal of this rotten government. Also a more progressive outlook with the prospect of EU re-engagement could quell the urge for Scottish Independence.

There's little doubt that although being fiercely patriotic to Scotland many Scots have a deep rooted hatred of the Tories and the "little England" mentality. A new progressive, internationalist Westminster administration may well turn the tide up North.

[JamesWales]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

Indeed. Curious that James "Philomena Cunk" Wales is notably absent.

Sorry, it was Sunday afternoon, I was out walking instead of stalking the posts of CCMB and you expected me to post within 90 minutes!?

I’m not changing an opinion due to one Daily Telegraph opinion piece.

'Project fear’ which of course consisted of a myriad of different themes, but is perhaps most solidly demonstrated in the statements made by the chancellor in the weeks before the referendum, which included a huge rise in unemployment, a recession, a house price collapse, stock market collapse etc, just for voting to leave. None of that happened.

Now it can be strongly argued that Brexit hasn't helped matters, that may be true, but two months after leaving a global pandemic hit. As that was winding down, a war between Europes two largest countries erupted. That impacts upon things.

Notwithstanding the chaos of the last few weeks, which are of course nothing to do with a referendum from 2016, can you name a comparable European country that isn't experiencing more-or-less the exact same problems we are?

Name a country.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

Sorry, it was Sunday afternoon, I was out walking instead of stalking the posts of CCMB and you expected me to post within 90 minutes!?

I’m not changing an opinion due to one Daily Telegraph opinion piece.

'Project fear’ which of course consisted of a myriad of different themes, but is perhaps most solidly demonstrated in the statements made by the chancellor in the weeks before the referendum, which included a huge rise in unemployment, a recession, a house price collapse, stock market collapse etc, just for voting to leave. None of that happened.

Now it can be strongly argued that Brexit hasn't helped matters, that may be true, but two months after leaving a global pandemic hit. As that was winding down, a war between Europes two largest countries erupted. That impacts upon things.

Notwithstanding the chaos of the last few weeks, which are of course nothing to do with a referendum from 2016, can you name a comparable European country that isn't experiencing more-or-less the exact same problems we are?

Name a country.

iI'll start trying to name some when you start listing other countries that have had their knuckles rapped in the past month by the IMF for their fiscal policies - making out that we're no different from anyone else simply isn't true.

[JamesWales]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

iI'll start trying to name some when you start listing other countries that have had their knuckles rapped in the past month by the IMF for their fiscal policies - making out that we're no different from anyone else simply isn't true.

I've quite clearly stated there.. "notwithstanding the chaos of the last few weeks". The mini budget (or at least it's delivery and some of its content) was clearly a grave error, but nothing to do with Brexit. Thats what this thread is about, no?

Again, can anyone name a comparable European country not undergoing more or less the same problems as the UK at the moment?

[HyperboreanCCFC]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

So we have a trade deal with the Americans?

Brexit and the current tories are the last tantrum of a generation that can't handle a world that wants more equality and improvement in life quality for all. Those who ingested lead paint as kids have done their best to make the lives of generations that come after them more difficult.

We're in talks with the Americans. Are you genuinely saying with a straight face that we are "at the back of the queue"? 😆

[lardy]

Re: Project fear was right all along.

We're in talks with the Americans. Are you genuinely saying with a straight face that we are "at the back of the queue"? ��

Liz Truss on 20 September:

"There aren't currently any negotiations taking place with the US and I don't have an expectation that those are going to start in the short to medium term."