We really should have a General Election.

[goats]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

That's right, I did. I said it in reply to you back in Sep 2020, when you said the coming vaccines would mean things back to normal after Christmas and you'd " be happy to sit in for 3 months if it was nailed on this would end once and for all."

I said the vaccines wouldn't be the end, just the beginning of the end - and it would "take a painfully long time before we can say it's ended once and for all"

Two years on and who was closer, would you say?

You should try and get out Lardy….the fact I’m abroad at the moment with my family tells me all I need to know

[lardy]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

You should try and get out Lardy….the fact I’m abroad at the moment with my family tells me all I need to know

While on holiday with your family, you're bringing up a post I made over two years ago - and you think that reflects badly on me???

Go and do something more fun than this. Holidays aren't cheap.

[jon1959]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

We do not operate a presidential system in the UK - we operate a parliamentary system whereby parliament chooses the prime minister. I would have thought you would have known that. From your post it would appear you don't understand the basics on how our democracy functions.

Just to be clear, the electorate choose Parliament, and Parliament chooses the PM - the leader who controls the House. That's the way it has always been.

Despite Truss being a busted flush, I can't see the Tories calling a GE as quite a few know they will lose their seats.

Other opinions regarding the selection of a Prime Minister are available.

Which is just as well because: "Just to be clear, the electorate choose Parliament, and Parliament chooses the PM - the leader who controls the House. That's the way it has always been." definitely does not describe the process that put Liz Truss in No 10.

[Feedback]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

Even if I accept your lecture, which I don’t (in reality, a good proportion of the electorate, possibly.a majority, vote for a leader or a party) every change of leader we’ve seen since 2016 has come with changes of policy for the Governing party and Parliament. I’d say that with the exception of Cameron to May, the change of leader has come with fundamentally different policies with only Johnson’s in 2019 being validated by an election win. Since Johnson left a few months ago, Truss has come in with a completely different set of policies from her predecessor. Whether you accept that Hunt is now the de facto PM or not, it is, once again, a complete change of approach from the governing party that we’re seeing - a change which, again, bears little relationship to the manifesto Johnson presented. The public did not vote for the discredited trickle down policies presented by Truss or more austerity, as provided by Hunt, we should have the chance to vote on it.

It wasn't a lecture, it was a statement of fact.

The electorate voted for the Tories in 2019, and it is up to the Tory party and its members to decide their leader. You can blether on all you like, but that is how our system works. If you think that it works another way, then you're mistaken.

Not that I agree with it, because I don't. I'd like a GE tomorrow, based on PR, but we're not going to get it.

[Feedback]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

Other opinions regarding the selection of a Prime Minister are available.

Which is just as well because: "Just to be clear, the electorate choose Parliament, and Parliament chooses the PM - the leader who controls the House. That's the way it has always been." definitely does not describe the process that put Liz Truss in No 10.

If you think the Tory party did not choose Liz Truss to be their leader, then perhaps you can tell me who did?

If you think the party with the majority in Parliament does not choose who is PM, then perhaps you can tell me who does?

[goats]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

While on holiday with your family, you're bringing up a post I made over two years ago - and you think that reflects badly on me???

Go and do something more fun than this. Holidays aren't cheap.

First time I’ve checked in on the lunatic asylum since I got here Friday thanks though you don’t disappoint.
Been up since 6, watched the sun up, went for a run along a white sand beach for 30 mins, few beers sitting in a bar on the beach, kids playing in the sea, 85 degrees….sometimes Lardy it’s nice to just chill on the balcony with a cup of coffee and read your nonsense….

[lardy]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

First time I’ve checked in on the lunatic asylum since I got here Friday thanks though you don’t disappoint.
Been up since 6, watched the sun up, went for a run along a white sand beach for 30 mins, few beers sitting in a bar on the beach, kids playing in the sea, 85 degrees….sometimes Lardy it’s nice to just chill on the balcony with a cup of coffee and read your nonsense….

Congrats for having a holiday, I guess, you seem quite proud of it. Rest assured, I won't be finding the time to chat with you when I go on my hols

[jon1959]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

If you think the Tory party did not choose Liz Truss to be their leader, then perhaps you can tell me who did?

If you think the party with the majority in Parliament does not choose who is PM, then perhaps you can tell me who does?

What are you blathering on about?

You got all high and mighty, giving Paul a lecture about parliamentary politics and claimed that Parliament chooses the Prime Minister.

Parliament didn't choose the Prime Minister. Not even the MPs from the ruling party chose the Prime Minister - most of them wanted a different Prime Minister.

The Prime Minister was chosen by 80,000 members of the Tory Party.

If you had said first time around that "the party with the majority in Parliament" chooses the PM, I would agree with you. But you didn't, and as usual when you make a prat of yourself you rephrase and move the goalposts - whilst still patronising other posters who disagree with you. Not a good look.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

It wasn't a lecture, it was a statement of fact.

The electorate voted for the Tories in 2019, and it is up to the Tory party and its members to decide their leader. You can blether on all you like, but that is how our system works. If you think that it works another way, then you're mistaken.

Not that I agree with it, because I don't. I'd like a GE tomorrow, based on PR, but we're not going to get it.

How on earth can you say Parliament chooses leaders when you look at this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Conservative_Party_leadership_election_(UK)#Results

Tory MPs had five different votes in the election process and the person who is now PM didn’t win one of them! She also didn’t win a majority of the eligible vote in the members poll.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

How on earth can you say Parliament chooses leaders when you look at this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Conservative_Party_leadership_election_(UK)#Results

Tory MPs had five different votes in the election process and the person who is now PM didn’t win one of them! She also didn’t win a majority of the eligible vote in the members poll.

She had a few more votes than Gordon Brown got.

[superfeathers]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

How on earth can you say Parliament chooses leaders when you look at this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Conservative_Party_leadership_election_(UK)#Results

Tory MPs had five different votes in the election process and the person who is now PM didn’t win one of them! She also didn’t win a majority of the eligible vote in the members poll.

The "actual" current PM got 5% of the first round vote and ducked out.
Shocking!

[Feedback]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

What are you blathering on about?

You got all high and mighty, giving Paul a lecture about parliamentary politics and claimed that Parliament chooses the Prime Minister.

Parliament didn't choose the Prime Minister. Not even the MPs from the ruling party chose the Prime Minister - most of them wanted a different Prime Minister.

The Prime Minister was chosen by 80,000 members of the Tory Party.

If you had said first time around that "the party with the majority in Parliament" chooses the PM, I would agree with you. But you didn't, and as usual when you make a prat of yourself you rephrase and move the goalposts - whilst still patronising other posters who disagree with you. Not a good look.

You're struggling with this.

Ever since Walpole, the party with the majority in the Commons chooses the Prime Minister.

In this case it was the Tory party that chose who would lead them in Parliament.

If you think ots not the person who commands the majority of the House that is chosen as Prime Minister, I'd be interested to see your evidence that suggests otherwise

[Feedback]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

How on earth can you say Parliament chooses leaders when you look at this?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Conservative_Party_leadership_election_(UK)#Results

Tory MPs had five different votes in the election process and the person who is now PM didn’t win one of them! She also didn’t win a majority of the eligible vote in the members poll.

Of course Parliament chooses the Prime Minister. Its been that way since Walpole.

The PM is the individual that commands a majority of sitting MPs. By default that is usually the leader of the party with the majority.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

She had a few more votes than Gordon Brown got.

Not in Parliament she didn’t - John McDonnell and Michael Meacher were candidates for the leadership in 2007, Meacher dropped out and McDonnell failed to attract sufficient endorsements to go forward. He needed to get 12.5 per cent of MPs votes, but only got twenty odd while Brown got 300 plus.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_2007_Labour_Party_leadership_election_(UK)

[jon1959]

Re: We really should have a General Election.

You're struggling with this.

Ever since Walpole, the party with the majority in the Commons chooses the Prime Minister.

In this case it was the Tory party that chose who would lead them in Parliament.

If you think ots not the person who commands the majority of the House that is chosen as Prime Minister, I'd be interested to see your evidence that suggests otherwise

Stop digging.