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[jon1959]

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In the summer I’m sure the heat would have attributed to a higher dearth rate than a cooler summer , absolutely, but the link posted suggests other mitigating factors, what’s your view on them particularly ages 45-54.

The heat wave would have been a factor - although 'only' accounting for hundreds of excess deaths. Reactions to vaccines might have been a marginal factor - although a fraction of the deaths that rampant Covid would have caused.

My educated guess (from reading a lot of opinion and analysis) is that most excess deaths have come from late diagnoses and missed treatments as a consequence of Covid lock-down, overwhelmed hospitals during the height of the pandemic, and the impact of staff vacancies (due to Brexit, stress, long-term illnesses amongst medical staff and inadequate funding).

[life on mars]

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Excess deaths have been caused by poorly thoiugh out excess lockdown , the effects of that will see many people die , did Wales pronlonged lockdowns save more lives through the lesser dangerous Omicrom period that will actually kill more in the future due to the fact health appointments were not quickly applied for other critcail illnesses , is the question you may want ask ..

The Tories were right in not contuining with such sever lockdown measures during the Omicrom period .

[Canton Kev]

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In the summer I’m sure the heat would have attributed to a higher dearth rate than a cooler summer , absolutely, but the link posted suggests other mitigating factors, what’s your view on them particularly ages 45-54.

A whole multitude of reasons. To name a few:
Unhealthier lifestyles due to lockdown catching up with people.
The deteriorating quality of NHS care. A knock on effect of missed and delayed appointments and treatments.
Complications of Covid/long Covid catching up to people.

Why that age range in particular? I don’t think there’s any particular reason.

The graph doesn’t follow a bell curve. In fact the numbers look fairly random suggesting there’s a whole load of factors involved.

Just to highlight:
60-64 is 3.2% higher.
65-69 is 6.4% higher.
70-74 is 5.0%higher.
75-79 is 1.7% higher.
80-84 is 4.4% higher.
85-89 is 4.2% higher.

I could make a few assumptions but Im quite confident there isn’t any definitive answer.

[life on mars]

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Excess deaths have been caused by poorly thought policies ,and excess lock downs , the effects of that will see many people die , did Wales prolonged lock downs save more lives through the lesser dangerous Omicron period that will actually kill more in the future due to the fact health appointments were not quickly applied for other critical illnesses , is the question you may want ask ..

The Tories were right in not continuing with such sever lock down measures during the Omicron period .

Lets hope this comes out in the inquiry Unhealthier lifestyles due to lock down catching up with people good spot Canton Kev ..

Easy to blame other factors and not the real thing whcih is the abuse of the NHS , Unhealthier lifestyles ,

[TWGL1]

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https://www.youtube.com/embed/9gstEyC0eMQ

[Wales-Bales]

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https://www.youtube.com/embed/9gstEyC0eMQ

I never saw that in the news, I must have missed it.

[TWGL1]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64209221

[the other bob wilson]

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-64209221

Would have thougHt there’s a few on here who’ll dispute the last five paragraphs of that piece.

[lardy]

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Would have thougHt there’s a few on here who’ll dispute the last five paragraphs of that piece.

I think there'll be a few disappointed that the article even addressed it as it ruins a good narrative. But at least the BBC are being responsible enough to discredit any vaccine nonsense.

[TWGL1]

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I think there'll be a few disappointed that the article even addressed it as it ruins a good narrative. But at least the BBC are being responsible enough to discredit any vaccine nonsense.

I don’t think anybody is disappointed, and the vaccine has always been considered a must for people over 50.

The issue for me is that the article suggests lockdown’s will eventually prove to be more harmful than if a different approach was taken.

The final paragraph also states:

While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors

They (TASS) are hardly going to discredit the rollout.

[lardy]

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I don’t think anybody is disappointed, and the vaccine has always been considered a must for people over 50.

The issue for me is that the article suggests lockdown’s will eventually prove to be more harmful than if a different approach was taken.

The final paragraph also states:

While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors

They (TASS) are hardly going to discredit the rollout.

Why did you delete half of that sentence? You can tell from the word 'while' that there should be another more important clause.


While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors - if vaccines were driving excess deaths we would expect this to be the other way around.

[TWGL1]

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Why did you delete half of that sentence? You can tell from the word 'while' that there should be another more important clause.


While this data on its own can't tell us it's the vaccine protecting people from dying - there are too many complicating factors - if vaccines were driving excess deaths we would expect this to be the other way around.

Have you looked at the yellow card system , perhaps you should.

Now I have my own opinion on the report , but this is not the place to express them , especially with posters like you , and the main reason for posting is in the main to do with the negative impact of lockdown, which has always been a bug bear of mine.

I take TASS articles with an open mind.

Thanks

[lardy]

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Have you looked at the yellow card system , perhaps you should.

Now I have my own opinion on the report , but this is not the place to express them , especially with posters like you , and the main reason for posting is in the main to do with the negative impact of lockdown, which has always been a bug bear of mine.

I take TASS articles with an open mind.

Thanks

I asked why you deleted half of the sentence.

Yes, Organ Morgan has referenced the yellow card system on here a few times, and cherry picked parts of it (perhaps even taking half of a sentence) to try and disingenuously bolster his point.

Luckily a 'poster like me' was on hand to check the original and set the record straight. No need to thank me, we don't all wear capes.

[Organ Morgan.]

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Would have thougHt there’s a few on here who’ll dispute the last five paragraphs of that piece.

You can add the venerable Dr Assem Malhotra to the list of sceptics who can be found here.

The first tweet of his below I posted at another thread almost three months ago. All the Covid needle lovers swerved making a comment as his credentials and reputation is beyond reproach. Describing Pfizer as an immoral and psychopathic entity raised even my eyebrows.

He appears convinced the shots killed his old man judging from the second tweet. The problem I have with that one is he must have been aware about the informed consent issue, or rather the deliberate concealment of it in violation of the Nuremberg Code, but said nowt about it and instead chose to recommend their uptake.

It’s time to put patients before profits, to put truth before money, to put human needs ahead of the needs of an immoral, psychopathic entity. Let’s do this 👊👊👊 pic.twitter.com/kGWf5rd0m2

— Dr Aseem Malhotra (@DrAseemMalhotra) October 17, 2022

Goodbye Papa. I promise you with all my heart I will ensure that your premature passing will not be in vain & that we achieve justice for those who have suffered unnecessarily from an mRNA jab that should likely never have been approved & certainly not without informed consent. pic.twitter.com/Jo0vZeJBRi

— Dr Aseem Malhotra (@DrAseemMalhotra)

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[TWGL1]

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I’m actually making a pint about the impact of lockdown and the excessive deaths which are higher than when we were in a pandemic.

Data here makes interesting reading

https://twitter.com/statsjamie/status/1612766306561925121?s=61&t=0XrCI7ho4KhL1avwXItpxw