The truth about Matt Hancock

[Wales-Bales]

An interesting read.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-truth-about-matt-hancock/

[TWGL1]

Re: The truth about Matt Hancock

An interesting read.

https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...-matt-hancock/

Hancock, Whitty and Johnson knew full well that non-medical face masks do very little to prevent transmission of the virus. People were made to wear them anyway because Dominic Cummings was fixated with them; because Nicola Sturgeon liked them; and above all because they were symbolic of the public health emergency.

As I argued at the time

[A Quiet Monkfish]

Re: The truth about Matt Hancock

Hancock, Whitty and Johnson knew full well that non-medical face masks do very little to prevent transmission of the virus. People were made to wear them anyway because Dominic Cummings was fixated with them; because Nicola Sturgeon liked them; and above all because they were symbolic of the public health emergency.

As I argued at the time

If I could smell the Mrs' perfume with one on, I figured the same. People in restaurants taking off their masks to eat, putting back on to stand up or go the toilet. I - along with around 5% perhaps on here - spent 2 years saying we were being told bollocks.

[Wales-Bales]

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My guess is Isabel Oakeshott didn't get anywhere near reviewing any of the juicy stuff.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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If I could smell the Mrs' perfume with one on, I figured the same. People in restaurants taking off their masks to eat, putting back on to stand up or go the toilet. I - along with around 5% perhaps on here - spent 2 years saying we were being told bollocks.

Apologies for breaking into this group hug.

In a few strides it seems to have leapt from the co-authored opinions and musings of Hancock and Oakeshott, to an extracted bit about non-medical masks to your conclusion that medical guidance was bollocks.

Here is the wiki on Covid face masks. Includes links to the multiplicity of studies on mask effectiveness, which vary by type but all offer a level of protection, particularly in indoor settings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_masks_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

Remarkably almost every country on the planet where Covid has had a footprint reached the conclusion that mask wearing had a key role to play in Covid prevention, particularly when stricter lockdown measures were lifted. There are arguments around the fringes on whether some of the measures introduced were over cautious and politically driven.

However to see this as some kind of vindication that you and your small cohort are somehow vindicated verses the wealth of expert guidance and medical studies is frankly for the birds.

[Canton Kev]

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Hancock, Whitty and Johnson knew full well that non-medical face masks do very little to prevent transmission of the virus. People were made to wear them anyway because Dominic Cummings was fixated with them; because Nicola Sturgeon liked them; and above all because they were symbolic of the public health emergency.

As I argued at the time

And the reason for masks being worn in South Korea, Norway, Portugal, the USA, Egypt, etc?

I didn’t think Sturgeon and Cummings had that much influence on global decisions.

[Wales-Bales]

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Apologies for breaking into this group hug.

In a few strides it seems to have leapt from the co-authored opinions and musings of Hancock and Oakeshott, to an extracted bit about non-medical masks to your conclusion that medical guidance was bollocks.

Here is the wiki on Covid face masks. Includes links to the multiplicity of studies on mask effectiveness, which vary by type but all offer a level of protection, particularly in indoor settings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_masks_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

Remarkably almost every country on the planet where Covid has had a footprint reached the conclusion that mask wearing had a key role to play in Covid prevention, particularly when stricter lockdown measures were lifted. There are arguments around the fringes on whether some of the measures introduced were over cautious and politically driven.

However to see this as some kind of vindication that you and your small cohort are somehow vindicated verses the wealth of expert guidance and medical studies is frankly for the birds.

100% true, I read it on Twitter a few months ago.

[lardy]

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So vaccines were wrong, lockdowns were wrong, and masks were wrong.

What was the right way to deal with covid?

[TWGL1]

Re: The truth about Matt Hancock

Apologies for breaking into this group hug.

In a few strides it seems to have leapt from the co-authored opinions and musings of Hancock and Oakeshott, to an extracted bit about non-medical masks to your conclusion that medical guidance was bollocks.

Here is the wiki on Covid face masks. Includes links to the multiplicity of studies on mask effectiveness, which vary by type but all offer a level of protection, particularly in indoor settings.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Face_masks_during_the_COVID-19_pandemic

Remarkably almost every country on the planet where Covid has had a footprint reached the conclusion that mask wearing had a key role to play in Covid prevention, particularly when stricter lockdown measures were lifted. There are arguments around the fringes on whether some of the measures introduced were over cautious and politically driven.

However to see this as some kind of vindication that you and your small cohort are somehow vindicated verses the wealth of expert guidance and medical studies is frankly for the birds.

As I said , the home made cartoon , non medical ones is what I’m taking about. Did you actually read the article ?

This country paid a catastrophic price for what I see as a reckless overreaction to a disease that was only life-threatening to a small number of people who could have been protected without imprisoning the entire population.

[superfeathers]

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So vaccines were wrong, lockdowns were wrong, and masks were wrong.

What was the right way to deal with covid?

Let the bodies pile high

[TWGL1]

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Let the bodies pile high

Like in care homes ?

[cyril evans awaydays]

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As I said , the home made cartoon , non medical ones is what I’m taking about. Did you actually read the article ?

This country paid a catastrophic price for what I see as a reckless overreaction to a disease that was only life-threatening to a small number of people who could have been protected without imprisoning the entire population.

Yep read it.

It seems to restate the known fact that masks helped lift lockdowns. That after those restrictions were lifted all masks helped prevent the spread of Covid compared with letting people wander around without them. Bizarely non-medical masks were less effective than medical ones.

Still, in a different universe where no rational nation state decided to go, there was an option where the "enlightened libertarians" it was possible to create an age and infirm apartheid state. Those weak and infirm would live a bit like house arrest, potentially having to show proof of age to the Covid police if they were suspected of breaking restrictions.

Except that the friends and relatives of those who were free to circulate because the virus was less likely to kill them might pop in to see the vulnerable now and again.

Still, in your head that dystopian world is far less troublesome than the solutions the Western World came up with.

[TWGL1]

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Yep read it.

It seems to restate the known fact that masks helped lift lockdowns. That after those restrictions were lifted all masks helped prevent the spread of Covid compared with letting people wander around without them. Bizarely non-medical masks were less effective than medical ones.

Still, in a different universe where no rational nation state decided to go, there was an option where the "enlightened libertarians" it was possible to create an age and infirm apartheid state. Those weak and infirm would live a bit like house arrest, potentially having to show proof of age to the Covid police if they were suspected of breaking restrictions.

Except that the friends and relatives of those who were free to circulate because the virus was less likely to kill them might pop in to see the vulnerable now and again.

Still, in your head that dystopian world is far less troublesome than the solutions the Western World came up with.

I think anybody who cared about elderly friends and relatives would have kept well away from them (the weak and vulnerable ) or mitigated together their own risk assessments (as they should have been allowed to). It’s worth noting that according to reports, the virus was around about six months before any intervention and the “within 28 days of a positive test” was a master stroke for compliance.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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I think anybody who cared about elderly friends and relatives would have kept well away from them (the weak and vulnerable ) or mitigated together their own risk assessments (as they should have been allowed to).

What age would have you drawn the line when the virus first went...well viral..for the people who needed to be isolated? What would all the others be able to do freely in this world in your head?

[lardy]

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So vaccines were wrong, lockdowns were wrong, and masks were wrong.

What was the right way to deal with covid?

The gifted and talented have so far offered avoid and isolate old people, which I seem to remember did happen, and still countries around the world were facing a fatal shortage of ventilators around May 2020.

So maybe a bit more was needed?