The truth about Matt Hancock

[TWGL1]

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The gifted and talented have so far offered avoid and isolate old people, which I seem to remember did happen, and still countries around the world were facing a fatal shortage of ventilators around May 2020.

So maybe a bit more was needed?

I think it was established early on that ventilators did more harm than good to the weak and frail.

[lardy]

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I think it was established early on that ventilators did more harm than good to the weak and frail.

And what about people who were not weak and frail, but would otherwise die without a ventilator. Do you think it was a mistake to use it for them?

[TWGL1]

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And what about people who were not weak and frail, but would otherwise die without a ventilator. Do you think it was a mistake to use it for them?

These articles may be of use

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200415/ventilators-helping-or-harming-covid-19-patients

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/coronavirus-ventilators-nhs-death-rates-china-wuhan-us-cases-a9458541.html

[lardy]

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These articles may be of use

https://www.webmd.com/lung/news/20200415/ventilators-helping-or-harming-covid-19-patients

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/c...-a9458541.html

So the medical community quickly learned how to use ventilators more effectively and disseminated the knowledge globally to save lives? That's great!

Or are you saying that ventilators are a bad thing? In which case, my question will be:

If vaccines were wrong, lockdowns were wrong, ventilators were wrong, and masks were wrong, what was the right way to deal with covid?

[TWGL1]

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So the medical community quickly learned how to use ventilators more effectively and disseminated the knowledge globally to save lives? That's great!

Or are you saying that ventilators are a bad thing? In which case, my question will be:

If vaccines were wrong, lockdowns were wrong, ventilators were wrong, and masks were wrong, what was the right way to deal with covid?

I think the subject has already been covered in earlier posts.

[lardy]

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I think the subject has already been covered in earlier posts.

No, it never has been. There's been lots of comments that masks don't work, lockdowns don't work, and so on. Comments from you, as well as others.

My question is what do you think should have been done instead of those things? I can't help but notice you're refusing to answer

[TWGL1]

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No, it never has been. There's been lots of comments that masks don't work, lockdowns don't work, and so on. Comments from you, as well as others.

My question is what do you think should have been done instead of those things? I can't help but notice you're refusing to answer

I would have probably followed Sweden’s pathway and also allowed more social responsibility.

The WFH is a good thing that’s come out of it.

I would also would have preferred a more balanced media viewpoint and allowed people who had different views to be heard and would have liked the law enforcement agencies to prosecute casual discrimination that was prevalent towards people with a different opinion.

[Canton Kev]

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I would have probably followed Sweden’s pathway and also allowed more social responsibility.

The same Sweden who’s Covid death rate is 1.6x higher than Finland and 2.5x higher than Norway? Their 2 immediate neighbours and most comparable countries.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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The masks that most of us seemed to be wearing in the UK wouldn't have permitted us to use public transport in Germany.
I wasn't allowed entry to a bus as a result and had to upgrade.

[Canton Kev]

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The masks that most of us seemed to be wearing in the UK wouldn't have permitted us to use public transport in Germany.
I wasn't allowed entry to a bus as a result and had to upgrade.

You can thank Nicola Sturgeon for that :shrug:

[lardy]

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Sweden had a full vaccination programme with boosters, mask recommendations in public places, emergency pandemic laws, travel restrictions from overseas, etc.

They did pretty much the same as everyone else, just on a smaller scale. Interestingly, the government started an independent commission (Corona Commission) who concluded that they mostly failed to protect the elderly and tougher measures should have been brought in earlier in the pandemic.

[cyril evans awaydays]

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Sweden had a full vaccination programme with boosters, mask recommendations in public places, emergency pandemic laws, travel restrictions from overseas, etc.

They did pretty much the same as everyone else, just on a smaller scale. Interestingly, the government started an independent commission (Corona Commission) who concluded that they mostly failed to protect the elderly and tougher measures should have been brought in earlier in the pandemic.

Between you and Kev you seem to be saying that by early 2021 Sweden had introduced comparable or stricter measures than other parts of Europe but by then around 10 times as many Swedes by head of population died compared with their Norwegian neighbours. Still what do you boys know compared with the gifted 5%

So to follow your thoughts, if it wasn't lockdowns, ventilators, masks, vaccines, the Swedish model what was it. I guess there was test and trace I suppose, at least the German model which seemed to be a relative success. We haven't heard anything on travel bans introduced latterly by the UK.

After that its bombardment with UV light, bleach and hydroxochloroquine.

I'm just grateful that another in the gifted and talented class has promised us a detailed case study so us dolts can be confronted with the errors of our ways.

[TWGL1]

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The same Sweden who’s Covid death rate is 1.6x higher than Finland and 2.5x higher than Norway? Their 2 immediate neighbours and most comparable countries.

The damage caused by the lockdown will exceed the Covid death rate, that’s the point , and it’s becoming apparent.

In my opinion when you factor in the mental health fallout, neglect of people suffering from anything other than Covid , and the financial obliteration that’s ongoing , then those figures will be dwarfed in the long term.

Even the most hardened supporters of lockdown must realistically be aware that they were not following the science, but money ( for themselves)

Remember these same governments have been sending generations to die in economic wars for hundreds of years.

That’s my view on it anyway,ultimately it’s still Covid propaganda from my side and the other which is what they want.

[Dorcus]

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Some people were more worried about losing their businesses than losing lives. Of course they will still be bitter. What's a life anyway compared to lovely dosh?

[TWGL1]

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Some people were more worried about losing their businesses than losing lives. Of course they will still be bitter. What's a life anyway compared to lovely dosh?

Depends if you had your own business or not I guess especially when they had children to feed and staff with families to consider , odd that isn’t it ?