Kier yesterday

[North Cardiff Blue]

Not bad, boring but growing on me, seems calm and a bit of a steady Eddie, which maybe is what we need. The policies are the same as Rishi's now so there would be very little difference, a bit like Blair's New Labour.

[The Hooded Claw]

Re: Kier yesterday

It’s a no from me, because of his stance on Brexit. He’s become an appeaser.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Kier yesterday

It’s a no from me, because of his stance on Brexit. He’s become an appeaser.

The more I hear from Starmer and people like Wes Streeting lately, the less time I have for them, but Labour have got my vote in the next election, because the overwhelming first priority is to get this Government out.

[Elwood Blues]

Re: Kier yesterday

The more I hear from Starmer and people like Wes Streeting lately, the less time I have for them, but Labour have got my vote in the next election, because the overwhelming first priority is to get this Government out.

What don't you like about what they are saying then Bob?

[Dorcus]

Re: Kier yesterday

The more I hear from Starmer and people like Wes Streeting lately, the less time I have for them, but Labour have got my vote in the next election, because the overwhelming first priority is to get this Government out.

Exactly my thoughts too. It's depressing that this is the only realistic option left open to us to avoid right wing chaos.

[JamesWales]

Re: Kier yesterday

He's impressive in my opinion. Calm, sensible, sober and moderate. More in common with Sunak than Corbyn which will infuriate many but that does make him more electable

[cyril evans awaydays]

Re: Kier yesterday

He's impressive in my opinion. Calm, sensible, sober and moderate. More in common with Sunak than Corbyn which will infuriate many but that does make him more electable

I mostly agree that after a shaky start Starmer has become more confident. He is still a little risk averse and as I said in an earlier thread, seems to be following a similar model to Albanese in Australia where a stolid politician swept a tired government from power.

Where I disagree with you and North Cardiff Blue is where you see similarities with Sunak. From the Labour policies that are beginning to emerge there will be significant differences. Whether it be around a public stake in Energy and via National Wealth Funds, a redistributive tax policy including removing non-dom status and the protection of workers rights there will be plenty to choose from.

The position on Brexit is not to my taste but can sort of understand telling the voters the last election lost that they were wrong is not going to entice them back. Losing the votes of people who want to reestablish closer ties with the EU to the Lib Dems is likely to hurt the Tories more in parts of the South of England.

I am a little softer in my left leaning politics than some on here so can understand that others may not share my views. An electable opposition against a tired squabbling party of government will go a long way. Creating a bit more enthusiasm for Labour vision of the future must be the task for 2023.

[life on mars]

Re: Kier yesterday

Will he privatise more of the the NHS ??????

Will he control Immigration ??

Will he not join the signal currency ??

Will he declare war on the nasties ??

Will he stamp out benefit fraud as well as taxing the rich ??

Will he fly the British Flag ??

Will he take back control ??

Will he sack Angela ??

Will he reinstate Corbyn ???

Will he say sorry for standing behind Corbyn and his foul gang as it wasn't a dark secret what was going on ??

In summary he is bang on to be the next Tory leader ..

Arise Sir Tony Kier ..

[Organ Morgan.]

Re: Kier yesterday

Sunak and Starmer both parachuted from nowhere into safe seats before being elected as MPs in the 2015 General Election.

Then a meteoric ascent for both to lead both wings of the Uniparty.

Sponsored by WEF no doubt.

I remarked yesterday Starmer (and Reeves') names appeared on the Davos (AKA WEF) attendee list for its annual conference beginning today.

[Dorcus]

Re: Kier yesterday

I mostly agree that after a shaky start Starmer has become more confident. He is still a little risk averse and as I said in an earlier thread, seems to be following a similar model to Albanese in Australia where a stolid politician swept a tired government from power.

Where I disagree with you and North Cardiff Blue is where you see similarities with Sunak. From the Labour policies that are beginning to emerge there will be significant differences. Whether it be around a public stake in Energy and via National Wealth Funds, a redistributive tax policy including removing non-dom status and the protection of workers rights there will be plenty to choose from.

The position on Brexit is not to my taste but can sort of understand telling the voters the last election lost that they were wrong is not going to entice them back. Losing the votes of people who want to reestablish closer ties with the EU to the Lib Dems is likely to hurt the Tories more in parts of the South of England.

I am a little softer in my left leaning politics than some on here so can understand that others may not share my views. An electable opposition against a tired squabbling party of government will go a long way. Creating a bit more enthusiasm for Labour vision of the future must be the task for 2023.

That's a pragmatic view and eminently sensible too. Unfortunately we have allowed our country to have been plundered by fantasists and the priority is to extricate them; therefore many of us will have to vote accordingly while pinching our nose.

[Whisperer]

Re: Kier yesterday

Exactly my thoughts too. It's depressing that this is the only realistic option left open to us to avoid right wing chaos.

No it’s not - you can spoil your vote, can you imagine 20 million spoilt votes or even better getting none of thee above on the ballot paper.

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Kier yesterday

What don't you like about what they are saying then Bob?

Don’t think that’s relevant, the point of my message was that, despite my misgivings, I’ll be voting for Starmer and his party at the next election.

[Organ Morgan.]

Re: Kier yesterday

Don’t think that’s relevant, the point of my message was that, despite my misgivings, I’ll be voting for Starmer and his party at the next election.

You'll be able to guess much of what follows.

The Red and Blues have an identical agenda.

Christ knows how many laws are on the statute book but the Red and Blues agree with all of them, ditto the numerous taxes which are never repealed. They are also as one about private bankers (the City of London) controlling the money supply with their fractional reserve scam and, well, I could drone on for yonks.

Mark Twain is said to have remarked "if voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it."

[Eric Cartman]

Re: Kier yesterday

No it’s not - you can spoil your vote, can you imagine 20 million spoilt votes or even better getting none of thee above on the ballot paper.

Well done on getting the Tories elected for another term with the lowest total vote count ever.

[jon1959]

Re: Kier yesterday

You'll be able to guess much of what follows.

The Red and Blues have an identical agenda.

Christ knows how many laws are on the statute book but the Red and Blues agree with all of them, ditto the numerous taxes which are never repealed. They are also as one about private bankers (the City of London) controlling the money supply with their fractional reserve scam and, well, I could drone on for yonks.

Mark Twain is said to have remarked "if voting made a difference, they wouldn't let us do it."

But not everyone is a smug defeatist like you and Mark Twain, Morgan. The Chartists, the Suffragettes (and Suffragists) and the Selma marchers all understood the power of the vote.

There may not be a chasm between the red and blue options at the next election, but there is more than a crack. It makes a difference to a lot of people living with pain and bad health, trapped in the benefits supported gig economy and anyone desperate for a safe affordable home. Labour won’t transform many lives but they will make things marginally better than the current lot.

I am disgusted by the Labour leader and his controlling clique (for what they think, say and do - not for the way they look or sound) but I will vote for them. And swallow the bile! Marginal differences affect real lives.