SNP on BBCQT

[jon1959]

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What was not mentioned on the programme was the fact that the SNP want the age of consent reduced from 18 to 16, which is one of the main reasons UK government are against the bill.

The age of consent in all parts of the UK is 16, isn't it?

Not sure what the SNP are proposing, but it can't be that.

[jon1959]

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This is a strange issue for me. I try and stay out of it because I don't really understand it, if pressed for an opinion I'd say biological sex is immutable and anything else needs to fit around that. Having said that, it is so far down my totem poll of importance that I am surprised at how much it is talked about. I suppose given the collapse of almost everything else they believe in, it is a safe space for the right of politics.

I feel pretty much the same.

I have got some friends and relatives who are very active around Trans Rights, and others who are much more concerned about birth biology and safe spaces (for trans people as well as biological women). For most it doesn't come onto their radars at all.

I never really picked up on trans issues until later in life - when it moved on from a few salacious and insulting stories in Sunday tabloids - and it seems to be a difficult subject to navigate. There are competing 'rights' in play and a lot of antagonistic views in open conflict. The local Green Party is tearing itself apart over alleged transphobia by its' rising star. Labour and the SNP also deeply divided. But as a society we will need to work through these things and reach a solution - even if that leaves some people still angry and unhappy.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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There are competing 'rights' in play and a lot of antagonistic views in open conflict.

I'm not sure there are. The trans right of being able to declare a notion about oneself on the basis of one's own subjective analysis and then have it enshrined in law doesn't really exist anywhere else (that I can think of).

Like some of you, this wasn't on my radar until a couple of years ago and I thought if a man figured he was a woman then so be it, but that's - in part - my male privilege showing. It won't be troubling us any time soon. Meanwhile, women have received disgraceful abuse for pointing out the flaws in this whole concept and the knock-on effect if it'll have.

[the other bob wilson]

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Trump proving the libertarian right’s definition of freedom is the telling of people that they’re free to do whatever we tell them they can.

https://www.advocate.com/politics/donald-trump-transgender-rights

[Wash DC Blue]

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The denial of science and reality..enforced language change.
It's a Post Modernists dream come true.

It may not matter to some, but it is a massive
concern to many women who are accused of bigotry for raising their concerns.

It's a subject that shouldn't be dismissed flippantly.

[Eric Cartman]

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The denial of science and reality..enforced language change.
It's a Post Modernists dream come true.

It may not matter to some, but it is a massive
concern to many women who are accused of bigotry for raising their concerns.

It's a subject that shouldn't be dismissed flippantly.

They shouldn't be accused of bigotry unless they are being bigoted.

Unfortunately somebody has to be the arbiter of whether those concerns are reasonable. It was only a few months ago that some women were seriously suggesting men should cross the road if they were walking near them because it would make them feel safer, which is clearly unreasonable.

I've seen quite a lot of unisex toilets recently, there is one at Gatwick Airport, it's just full of cubicles and a shared sink area, what's the difference between men and women sharing that facility and a the trans toilet issue.

Sport is a clear one for me, if there is any contact involved, there shouldnt be trans in women's sport. I would probably ban it in all sports from a competitive pov.

[TWGL1]

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They shouldn't be accused of bigotry unless they are being bigoted.

Unfortunately somebody has to be the arbiter of whether those concerns are reasonable. It was only a few months ago that some women were seriously suggesting men should cross the road if they were walking near them because it would make them feel safer, which is clearly unreasonable.

I've seen quite a lot of unisex toilets recently, there is one at Gatwick Airport, it's just full of cubicles and a shared sink area, what's the difference between men and women sharing that facility and a the trans toilet issue.

Sport is a clear one for me, if there is any contact involved, there shouldnt be trans in women's sport. I would probably ban it in all sports from a competitive pov.

Here’s her boss on the subject

https://twitter.com/juliahb1/status/1620096486230085632?s=61&t=lCb8TGbIytGg-lNjkomfFg

[life on mars]

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Easy answer to this topical pathetic political correctness : a woman is born with a woman with a vagina. ( sorry Sir Kier and lady up north )

A bloke is born with a penis that goes inside said vagina..

Results in population growth.

If when they are adults and they want to feck about with thier lowers bits fine .. happy to respect that decision.


We shouldn't impose our feelings onto those making that tough choice, however they should not impose themselves into female safe places , they should respect females concerns. . And find thier arena.

But don't put woman in danger or young children for some crazy one eyed ideology .

To think woman are getting abused on this matter within the political arena is scary ..

[+ the native hipster]

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40% of 'trans' prisoners are in prison because of a sex offence , i would like to think that most men on here would not go into women's changing rooms because they don't want to upset women and girls, delilah gets banned so abuse victims aren't upset , yet a rape victim is told she has to accept a hairy assed trucker in her space.

[Doucas]

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The economy is in tatters
Inequality is increasing drastically
The NHS is on its knees
Climate change every year is becoming more and more of a significant risk
Poverty increasing
Highest energy bills in the world

Conservatives priorities 'but but there's transgender people'

It's amazing how conservatives parrot lines from billionaire owned media so you don't focus on the points I've listed above. Some may even think you're thick for it.

[Wash DC Blue]

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The economy is in tatters
Inequality is increasing drastically
The NHS is on its knees
Climate change every year is becoming more and more of a significant risk
Poverty increasing
Highest energy bills in the world

Conservatives priorities 'but but there's transgender people'

It's amazing how conservatives parrot lines from billionaire owned media so you don't focus on the points I've listed above. Some may even think you're thick for it.

I for one am sick of the Tory government.
It's way past time for a different direction and I hope Labour win the next election.

Is it not possible to make room to discuss this very important sensitive topic in addition to that?

[Doucas]

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I for one am sick of the Tory government.
It's way past time for a different direction and I hope Labour win the next election.

Is it not possible to make room to discuss this very important sensitive topic in addition to that?

Yes it's fine to talk about but when 50% of the headlines in newspapers and the news seem to be this 'issue' it's beyond frustrating. Seems like it's the #1 concern for Sunak as well.

[JamesWales]

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You’re right, people like her are just controversial for controversials sake. I’m not sure there needs to be a place for that but that’s where we are.

Admittedly I haven’t heard too much from her thankfully, given she tends to be appear mostly in right wing journalism, but of the few times I’ve seen her she sneered and said that climate change was complete nonsense. She gave off the air that anyone who didn’t agree with that, or couldn’t see her point just wasn’t on her level.

With regards the subject matter, like others I find the whole subject a very difficult one because it’s not something I’ve lived, or anyone close to me has lived. It’s pretty clear that a rapist who still has a penis shouldn’t be in a female prison but it seems the far right want to blow up this isolated case into a hysterical political hot potato where immigration once sat

"Far right"?! I think most people view the SNP of massively mishandling the situation, which is as you say, a delicate one.

There's nothing far right about any of it.

[JamesWales]

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The economy is in tatters
Inequality is increasing drastically
The NHS is on its knees
Climate change every year is becoming more and more of a significant risk
Poverty increasing
Highest energy bills in the world

Conservatives priorities 'but but there's transgender people'

It's amazing how conservatives parrot lines from billionaire owned media so you don't focus on the points I've listed above. Some may even think you're thick for it.

Do you honestly think that if you Google transgender people, that it is mainly conservatives talking about it?

It's become an increasingly political issue unfortunately, and that helps no one much. But this is all tied to the identity politics debate that if anything most on the right would rather argue against for precisely these reasons

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

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They shouldn't be accused of bigotry unless they are being bigoted.

Unfortunately somebody has to be the arbiter of whether those concerns are reasonable. It was only a few months ago that some women were seriously suggesting men should cross the road if they were walking near them because it would make them feel safer, which is clearly unreasonable.

I've seen quite a lot of unisex toilets recently, there is one at Gatwick Airport, it's just full of cubicles and a shared sink area, what's the difference between men and women sharing that facility and a the trans toilet issue.

Sport is a clear one for me, if there is any contact involved, there shouldnt be trans in women's sport. I would probably ban it in all sports from a competitive pov.

It seems reasonable to suggest a man in a dress is not a woman but that is deemed to be bigoted by some. In fact, many women were sent death and rape threats if they said so. The whole point of having a women only space is that they are, theoretically and in law, able to have some protection from predatory behaviour, so a unisex toilet might work in an airport (as long as there are other options) but not necessarily elsewhere.