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[The Lone Gunman]

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People blaming Warnock.

We wouldn't have had the PL money and parachute payments without Warnock. I fully believe that.
You weigh that up against a few allegedly dodgy deals and he is certainly in the black.

Poor choice of words considering the club is consistently in the red. I don’t think anyone believes Warnock is solely responsible for the club’s financial losses. But he is very obviously a significant factor.

[logic]

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Paying tax on what? A loss!?

More taxes exist than Corporation Tax.

[insider]

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When warnock spunked the Premier league money on "his type of players" the football club with no football knowledge then let him get more of "his type of players" after relegation , before he "knew when to leave".
The club never managed him they were incapable of doing so.
Poor management results in debt.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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In an ideal world warnock would have got us promoted after looking like we were going down then the board offer him a joint managers role or director of football post

He wouldn't have accepted either

They were in no man's land

A lot of hindsight and wise after the event comments on here

When did you realise things were going tits up and why didn't you start shouting from the rooftops then ?

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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In an ideal world warnock would have got us promoted after looking like we were going down then the board offer him a joint managers role or director of football post

He wouldn't have accepted either

They were in no man's land

A lot of hindsight and wise after the event comments on here

When did you realise things were going tits up and why didn't you start shouting from the rooftops then ?

Joint manager role? How many such positions are there currently operating in the Football League?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Joint manager role? How many such positions are there currently operating in the Football League?

That's my point

And he certainly wouldn't have taken the offer of being a coach or assistant to another

So there we go

Thank god for the trust

Because the trust which we should have had YEARS ago would have scrutinised Sam when plenty of fans were in blowing smoke up his arse !

Lots very quiet in those days

[Rjk]

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In an ideal world warnock would have got us promoted after looking like we were going down then the board offer him a joint managers role or director of football post

He wouldn't have accepted either

They were in no man's land

A lot of hindsight and wise after the event comments on here

When did you realise things were going tits up and why didn't you start shouting from the rooftops then ?

Warnock would be a ridiculous choice for director of football - that would have him concentrating on all of the things he's awful at and none of the things he's really good at

[jon1959]

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In an ideal world warnock would have got us promoted after looking like we were going down then the board offer him a joint managers role or director of football post

He wouldn't have accepted either

They were in no man's land

A lot of hindsight and wise after the event comments on here

When did you realise things were going tits up and why didn't you start shouting from the rooftops then ?

I can't think of anyone less suited to a Director of Football role than Neil Warnock

Responsible for club strategy, overseeing the development of youth players and directing club recruitment?

Joint manager? Warnock would never go for that.... it would be short-lived carnage if it was ever tried.

There might have been some value in recruiting Warnock onto the Board to provide experience and advice to the absentee directors - but with limited ability to block youth development or splash Tan's cash on aging pros managed by the agency that employs (and pays bonuses to) his son!

[logic]

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That's my point

And he certainly wouldn't have taken the offer of being a coach or assistant to another

So there we go

Thank god for the trust

Because the trust which we should have had YEARS ago would have scrutinised Sam when plenty of fans were in blowing smoke up his arse !

Lots very quiet in those days

Does the "lots very quiet in those days" include Trust members and officials, by any chance?

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Does the "lots very quiet in those days" include Trust members and officials, by any chance?

None that I know of

The trust members and officials were the only ones standing up to the regime and getting threats and intimidation for the pleasure of doing so

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Who would own a football club, imagine bailing out a club to the amount Tan has, and still almost everyone hates him :shrug:

Mostly his own fault mind, why didn't he appoint a top DOF and get the best Manager available right at the start!

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I can't think of anyone less suited to a Director of Football role than Neil Warnock

Responsible for club strategy, overseeing the development of youth players and directing club recruitment?

Joint manager? Warnock would never go for that.... it would be short-lived carnage if it was ever tried.

There might have been some value in recruiting Warnock onto the Board to provide experience and advice to the absentee directors - but with limited ability to block youth development or splash Tan's cash on aging pros managed by the agency that employs (and pays bonuses to) his son!

So the only option the club had was to appoint someone else after he had got us promoted or after relegation

And that's it

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Warnock would be a ridiculous choice for director of football - that would have him concentrating on all of the things he's awful at and none of the things he's really good at

Almost entirely true

So what should have happened and why are people now pointing fingers

It's hindsight and utterly pointless

Hammam , utter chancer

Ridsdale , ditto

Tan .....appoints malky , Malky fecks up , various crap appointments , warnock gets us promoted , feck up , Harris, McCarthy , Morrison , Hudson

Now we seem to have a decent management team

I think some people are treading water here

[logic]

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None that I know of

The trust members and officials were the only ones standing up to the regime and getting threats and intimidation for the pleasure of doing so

So too were many non-Trust fans, lest nobody forget.

[Rjk]

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When warnock spunked the Premier league money on "his type of players" the football club with no football knowledge then let him get more of "his type of players" after relegation , before he "knew when to leave".
The club never managed him they were incapable of doing so.
Poor management results in debt.

Football - especially the UK is still often too beholden to the "big football man knows how to football" and when they find someone who is even the slightest bit successful in a manager role that basically let them free reign over everything.
Add that to the fact that Warnock could sell sand to the sahara and you havea recipe for disaster.
When it is someone like warnock who has gotten success by excellent man management and motivation and a simple tactical approach then that is never going to work forever.

In many american sports, the recruitment and development and strategy side of things are completely separetd from the first team day to day management, coaching and tactics - there is some evidence that since Warnock has gone that the manager at least has a smaller voice in these things, early days but fingers crossed