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[Rjk]

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Almost entirely true

So what should have happened and why are people now pointing fingers

It's hindsight and utterly pointless

Hammam , utter chancer

Ridsdale , ditto

Tan .....appoints malky , Malky fecks up , various crap appointments , warnock gets us promoted , feck up , Harris, McCarthy , Morrison , Hudson

Now we seem to have a decent management team

I think some people are treading water here

I'm all for having a director of football type role - but not for that to be Neil Warnock.

The strategy of hiring a manager and hoping that they will fix everything and stay successful forever is clearly not working

[logic]

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Football - especially the UK is still often too beholden to the "big football man knows how to football" and when they find someone who is even the slightest bit successful in a manager role that basically let them free reign over everything.
Add that to the fact that Warnock could sell sand to the sahara and you havea recipe for disaster.
When it is someone like warnock who has gotten success by excellent man management and motivation and a simple tactical approach then that is never going to work forever.

In many american sports, the recruitment and development and strategy side of things are completely separetd from the first team day to day management, coaching and tactics - there is some evidence that since Warnock has gone that the manager at least has a smaller voice in these things, early days but fingers crossed

The American sports model is completely different though; more franchise based, approval to buy a franchise dependent on support of other owners, salary caps etc. Add in the inks with colleges around drafting players, it's not necessarily directly comparable with non American sports.

It's rare that you'd find a football manager happy with players being bought for them. Look how much Conte whines at Spurs and they've adopted parts of that model.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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The American sports model is completely different though; more franchise based, approval to buy a franchise dependent on support of other owners, salary caps etc. Add in the inks with colleges around drafting players, it's not necessarily directly comparable with non American sports.

It's rare that you'd find a football manager happy with players being bought for them. Look how much Conte whines at Spurs and they've adopted parts of that model.

Is American football , baseball hit by scandal of dodgy owners ?

Ridsdale and Hammam were dodgy

Tan has made some utterly ridiculous decisions but that's a bit different

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I'm all for having a director of football type role - but not for that to be Neil Warnock.

The strategy of hiring a manager and hoping that they will fix everything and stay successful forever is clearly not working

Well I said that as everyone goes on and on about directors of football

Wether it's Charlie Dimmock or whoever I would like to know if all clubs have them and if they do .....are they all doing a good job ?

[Rjk]

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Well I said that as everyone goes on and on about directors of football

Wether it's Charlie Dimmock or whoever I would like to know if all clubs have them and if they do .....are they all doing a good job ?

Most clubs these days have someone in that kind of role, under various names, but there are widely different ways that it has been implemented

[logic]

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Is American football , baseball hit by scandal of dodgy owners ?

Ridsdale and Hammam were dodgy

Tan has made some utterly ridiculous decisions but that's a bit different

Errm, yes, if you did your actual research.

[AfricanBluebird]

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Grim reading and not getting any better

Perhaps the only slight positive is that this season our wage outlay is dramatically reduced

But leaving aside the ownership and team management, which are appalling and already commented on, the club shoot themselves in the foot with regards to merchandise, food and drink at the stadium and general commercial opportunities.

I suppose a promotion would significantly help but that seems a long way off.... Our annual punt has only worked twice in 13 years and when it did work, was unsustainable.

Sad reading but as always thanks to Keith for his diligence in helping fans understand some of the more nuanced details.

[UNDERHILL1927]

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Who would own a football club, imagine bailing out a club to the amount Tan has, and still almost everyone hates him :shrug:

Mostly his own fault mind, why didn't he appoint a top DOF and get the best Manager available right at the start!

Entirely his own fault

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Errm, yes, if you did your actual research.

I am not interested in American sports , I thought you might have been able to enlighten me

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I can't think of anyone less suited to a Director of Football role than Neil Warnock

Responsible for club strategy, overseeing the development of youth players and directing club recruitment?

Joint manager? Warnock would never go for that.... it would be short-lived carnage if it was ever tried.

There might have been some value in recruiting Warnock onto the Board to provide experience and advice to the absentee directors - but with limited ability to block youth development or splash Tan's cash on aging pros managed by the agency that employs (and pays bonuses to) his son!

Do any guidelines or rules apply in such circumstances, does anyone know?

[logic]

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I am not interested in American sports , I thought you might have been able to enlighten me

Not here to teach you how to use google, old chap.

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Not here to teach you how to use google, old chap.

Well I don't want to waste my time researching as you put it into American directors of sport in baseball etc

Especially when there are helpful people on here with regard to such matters

The teaching profession missed a trick not taking you on .....

Hey Mr Logic ? .......can you as our history teacher tell us about the Arab Israeli conflict and its origins since the creation of Israel ?

Mr Logic ......no .....piss off .....Google it !

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Do any guidelines or rules apply in such circumstances, does anyone know?

Mr Logic

Email him

[Feedback]

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More taxes exist than Corporation Tax.

but not in the P&L. This is a reference to corp tax on tax losses, not accounting losses.

[blue lewj]

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Surely the FA, along with a few others, would want clarification on the names of the unnamed person giving loans to the club?

I also noticed that some feel many things have happened to Tan and he has been unlucky in some aspects. Really?
You could argue Sala was a complete bolt out of the blue but the rest of it he has been hands on with every decision and has to take his share of responsibility for where the club currently sits. Even the dud signings he has to shoulder some responsibility. All happening under his watch and with his money.
Yes, he doesn't have a great deal of knowledge on the day to day running of a football club, but then you admit that and employ somebody who does. You don't just bash on in the hope you'll pick it up as you go along. This is professional football.