Lockdown before Xmas, Welsh Intensive Care specialists

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Lockdown before Xmas, Welsh Intensive Care specialists

On the flip side is that if you decided to see them again, you had Covid but didn't know it, passed it on and they become severely ill or worse, how would you feel?

Indeed. Like you say, there is no obvious right or wrong despite what some fools are claiming.

[William Treseder]

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Indeed. Like you say, there is no obvious right or wrong despite what some fools are claiming.

I’d say one thing this past yr has taught a lot of people, or hopefully it will, is if and when life gets back to some form of normality, then folk should spend a lot more time with family members, especially parents, if they are lucky enough to still be alive.
I’ve never understood families who only get together at Christmas. How ever busy you are, there are more important things in life.
Fair enough, if you live so far away it makes it almost impossible to visit regularly, but there are many folk who could make more effort, but choose not to for what ever reason, then regret it when it’s too late..

[The Lone Gunman]

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I’d say one thing this past yr has taught a lot of people, or hopefully it will, is if and when life gets back to some form of normality, then folk should spend a lot more time with family members, especially parents, if they are lucky enough to still be alive. I’ve never understood families who only get together at Christmas. How ever busy you are, there are more important things in life. Fair enough, if you live so far away it makes it almost impossible to visit regularly, but there are many folk who could make more effort, but choose not to for what ever reason, then regret it when it’s too late..

There's certainly some truth in that, but this year has been unique in that many people who usually spend plenty of time with their families haven't done so at all this year because they've been observing the various rules and regulations.

[splott parker]

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There's certainly some truth in that, but this year has been unique in that many people who usually spend plenty of time with their families haven't done so at all this year because they've been observing the various rules and regulations.

Trivia fact that I heard on the radio a few months back was that dogs have never had it so good apparently, not being left alone all day whilst owners are at work, being walked a lot more regularly, loads more attention and being fed more often.........it hasn't tempted me to get a dog at all though, mobile shit machines as far as I’m concerned

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Indeed. Like you say, there is no obvious right or wrong despite what some fools are claiming.

That's why I'm not in favour of announcing a lockdown over Christmas. I'm not even sure how much an appeal to people's better nature would work. Those who would deliberately flaut the rules will do so regardless of what they are told, where some who feel that meeting up with a family member or even a friend who desperately needs that company on what can be the most lonely day of the year, might think better of it.

[The Lone Gunman]

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That's why I'm not in favour of announcing a lockdown over Christmas. I'm not even sure how much an appeal to people's better nature would work. Those who would deliberately flaut the rules will do so regardless of what they are told, where some who feel that meeting up with a family member or even a friend who desperately needs that company on what can be the most lonely day of the year, might think better of it.

I'm not a fan of Christmas (to put it mildly), but my mother certainly is. Highlight of the year as far as she's concerned and, while she's being pragmatic about situation, I know it's really upset her that our circumstances dictate we won't be able to get together as a family at all this year, either on Christmas Day or on any other day during the festive period. She's in her mid-eighties now and has mentioned on more than one occasion that she fears we may not get the chance to spend another Christmas together, which is understandable at her age. She's used the same phrase repeatedly in recent months: "This isn't living, it's just existing." I think a lot of people of all ages are feeling the same.

[Splott-light...]

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On the flip side is that if you decided to see them again, you had Covid but didn't know it, passed it on and they become severely ill or worse, how would you feel? I'm in charge of a ladies' choir and we've made the decision that we're not going to resume until it is ok for everyone to do so. Many of them are itching to get back to singing, but it's all tempered by the possibility that Covid could be passed on in a rehearsal to someone vunerable (and we have a few). Nobody wants that on their conscience. Another choir I help out have agreed to resume when given the green light to do so, signing disclaimers, and anyone vunerable making their own decision over whether to return.

you're preaching to the... nevermind.

[NTB]

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Sorry to hear about your mother Sludge. I hope things work out ok mate. Completely agree with everything you said on the matter

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Sorry to hear about your mother Sludge. I hope things work out ok mate. Completely agree with everything you said on the matter

Thank you mate

If your car is fecked you see a mechanic

If you need some advice about a legal matter , you see a solicitor

If the people dealing on the coal face with this serious virus that has killed people of all ages and many healthcare staff say that the hospitals are creaking and that their years of medical training has enabled them to come to the conclusion that the country needs to forget about Xmas this year , however important it is to families , parents , kids , the shops etc ......because if we don't then this virus is going to swamp the hospitals and the healthcare system will break , in the middle of winter then we are either going to take that advice or we are fecked , not just for Xmas but for maybe another year !

Its staggering that the powers that be are not getting their shit together

I couldn't give a toss if Christmas is an important time for some , I think being alive is important too and if we have a free for all for 5 days over Xmas then people are going to die . Doctors and nurses and porters and cleaners are putting their lives on the line and people are kicking up a fuss because they are going to have to wait 6 weeks till half term for the next family get together ?

The joy of government is that the people are stupid

[Tuerto]

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For many people, family is everything. And lots of people love Christmas. Imagine that you fall into both of those categories, but have elected to stay away from your family this year in order to be on the 'safe' side. And then imagine that one of your family members dies early in the New Year before you have a chance to see them again. I wonder how you'd feel about that? Would you console yourself with the thought that you'd done the 'right' thing?

Depends on the circumstances. If a person was terminally ill, then i'd be over to see them as much as possible. If a person was very sick and the general consensus was that they may not get through it, then the same, i'd be over to see them. If a person was just elderly, but fit enough and with no big health issues then i'd stay away.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Depends on the circumstances. If a person was terminally ill, then i'd be over to see them as much as possible. If a person was very sick and the general consensus was that they may not get through it, then the same, i'd be over to see them. If a person was just elderly, but fit enough and with no big health issues then i'd stay away.

The question was more about feelings after the event. Unfortunately, in time there are going to be many people with deep regrets about this festive season - those who missed out on a last chance to spend time with their loved ones and those who unwittingly passed the virus to their families or friends.

Circumstances dictate that the decision over what to do regarding Christmas this year is effectively out of my hands anyway, so it's not something I have to think too much about. However, it makes me laugh when I read people preaching to others about what they should and shouldn't be doing with their families - especially when those doing the preaching don't have any decisions to make.

[Tuerto]

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The question was more about feelings after the event. Unfortunately, in time there are going to be many people with deep regrets about this festive season - those who missed out on a last chance to spend time with their loved ones and those who unwittingly passed the virus to their families or friends.

Circumstances dictate that the decision over what to do regarding Christmas this year is effectively out of my hands anyway, so it's not something I have to think too much about. However, it makes me laugh when I read people preaching to others about what they should and shouldn't be doing with their families - especially when those doing the preaching don't have any decisions to make.

My old dear has crohns disease, is diabetic and is losing her sight, remarkably, she's still living on her own, she's doing really well. I'll be over to see her through the kitchen window, cup of tea and a chat.

[Tuerto]

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My old dear has crohns disease, is diabetic and is losing her sight, remarkably, she's still living on her own, she's doing really well. I'll be over to see her through the kitchen window, cup of tea and a chat.

Should've mentioned how people may feel, well, it's already happened plenty of people have died in hospitals and care homes without loved ones about. I suppose Christmas may magnify those feelings for some.

[The Lone Gunman]

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Should've mentioned how people may feel, well, it's already happened plenty of people have died in hospitals and care homes without loved ones about.

Yeah, of course, but that's not what I was getting at.

Anyway, people will obviously make up their own minds as regards whether or not to visit relatives and loved ones over the Christmas period. Nothing the politicians say or do is likely to make a difference to that. And nothing anyone says on a football message board is going to make a scrap of difference either.