India v England, all over today?

[The Bloop]

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Shirley there is a threshold regarding test match batting track standards. 17 wickets in a day early in the match must call the pitch quality into question.

Itll be interesting to see what the next test is like. Same ground but with a red ball. Yes there were bad batting decisions, but the pitch was just too difficult to bat on to make it a fair contest between bat and ball, which is what test cricket should be about.

[the other bob wilson]

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As someone said on another City messageboard, if that pitch had been produced for a county Championship match, the home team would have had points deducted for an unfit pitch - there was a lot of fuss about the pitch for the last test, but India’s number eight Ashein proved you could bat on it.

[dml1954]

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A number of the dismissals were from balls that went straight on because the batsmen were frightened out of their wits by the fact that there was some turn. A number fell to rank poor shots as well e.g. Bairstow swinging across the line first ball and nearly getting out and then getting out second ball. You would be hard pressed to find a more inept and gutless batting display than the England second innings. Anything over 120 would have been a good lead but they never looked capable of getting it. They just stood there and let the India bowlers do what they wanted. Roots captaincy was poor as well - people on the boundaries when India were 6/7 down first innings and starting the India second innings with four men out deep when they had under 50 runs to get.

[life on mars]

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You have to have some form of standards for the wicket preparation allowing a home side to do whatever they want is not correct ,this is sport for everyone to watch and they deserve the 5 days . Yes some Indians did well however they play with these types of wickets and this would favour the home side , surely the standard of the game should guarantee a competitive game .

And Virat Kohli should not get away with his constant bickering of the umpires, I thought cricket was beyond that?

[xsnaggle]

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A number of the dismissals were from balls that went straight on because the batsmen were frightened out of their wits by the fact that there was some turn. A number fell to rank poor shots as well e.g. Bairstow swinging across the line first ball and nearly getting out and then getting out second ball. You would be hard pressed to find a more inept and gutless batting display than the England second innings. Anything over 120 would have been a good lead but they never looked capable of getting it. They just stood there and let the India bowlers do what they wanted. Roots captaincy was poor as well - people on the boundaries when India were 6/7 down first innings and starting the India second innings with four men out deep when they had under 50 runs to get.

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But the Indian batting was not much better in the first innings, even Root managed to get 5 wickets FFS.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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As someone said on another City messageboard, if that pitch had been produced for a county Championship match, the home team would have had points deducted for an unfit pitch - there was a lot of fuss about the pitch for the last test, but India’s number eight Ashein proved you could bat on it.

Agreed. India deserved to win both tests, and the pitch in the second test was poor but frankly, the pitch in this test was an absolute disgrace. It was fun today but nobody could bat on it. England have been absolutely abysmal in the last two tests. First time Broad and Anderson have played together and neither took a wicket.

[rich munn]

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Agreed. India deserved to win both tests, and the pitch in the second test was poor but frankly, the pitch in this test was an absolute disgrace. It was fun today but nobody could bat on it. England have been absolutely abysmal in the last two tests. First time Broad and Anderson have played together and neither took a wicket.

Second day of a test match.

Root 5 - 8 in 6 overs.

Decent wicket?

Ridiculous. Kevin Petersen as usual way off the mark and attention seeking.

[poc]

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Agreed. India deserved to win both tests, and the pitch in the second test was poor but frankly, the pitch in this test was an absolute disgrace. It was fun today but nobody could bat on it. England have been absolutely abysmal in the last two tests. First time Broad and Anderson have played together and neither took a wicket.

having watched the highlights twice last night i dont think it was the pitch most of the wickets seemed to come from bal that stayed straight and the england batsman were expecting them to turn sideways might be wrong just think england were completely out thought by india

[qccfc]

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having watched the highlights twice last night i dont think it was the pitch most of the wickets seemed to come from bal that stayed straight and the england batsman were expecting them to turn sideways might be wrong just think england were completely out thought by india

How would that logic work with Joe Root a part time bowler taking 5-8.

India needed to win this series by 2 clear matches to qualify for the World Test Championship, after losing the first one they made the decision to make poor pitches. The thought their bowlers batsmen would cope with a complete minefield better, and they have.

Is home advantage to that extent good for the game in general?

To address you point about the straight ball, if the average ball is turning by more than 5% the straight one will get you because you are playing for turn. It is why seam bowlers throw in a crossed seam delivery when the ball is swinging.

[MacAdder]

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having watched the highlights twice last night i dont think it was the pitch most of the wickets seemed to come from bal that stayed straight and the england batsman were expecting them to turn sideways might be wrong just think england were completely out thought by india

Exactly.

Do people really believe that the host team should make the game fair by playing to their guests' strengths?

I personally believe that a Test pitch should be prepared to last 4 or even five days but that's personal preference.
From an entertainment and commercial perspective it makes sense.

The fact that India have pitches that suit spin and England does not means that Indian batsmen are better prepared to face spin bowling than English batsmen is too simplistic, there has to be another reason for the annihilation.
Oh I know, let's blame the pitch.

India won the game by 10 (ten) wickets.
This is as big a hiding as you are ever likely to see in test cricket.

Perhaps India played really poorly in their first innings but put it right in the second.

People were saying after the second test where England lost, that whichever team bats first wins as the pitches will only deteriorate. Wrong!

More time in the nets preparing to face spin. Simples.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Exactly.

Do people really believe that the host team should make the game fair by playing to their guests' strengths?

I personally believe that a Test pitch should be prepared to last 4 or even five days but that's personal preference.
From an entertainment and commercial perspective it makes sense.

The fact that India have pitches that suit spin and England does not means that Indian batsmen are better prepared to face spin bowling than English batsmen is too simplistic, there has to be another reason for the annihilation.
Oh I know, let's blame the pitch.

India won the game by 10 (ten) wickets.
This is as big a hiding as you are ever likely to see in test cricket.

Perhaps India played really poorly in their first innings but put it right in the second.

People were saying after the second test where England lost, that whichever team bats first wins as the pitches will only deteriorate. Wrong!

More time in the nets preparing to face spin. Simples.

India got skittled and then only had to chase 49, the pressure is off. England had to set a score so had to stick around and score. Only one team has complained about a pitch in this series, and it wasn't England. Root took 5-8. The pitch was a joke, if you think it is acceptable, that's fine but if NZ or Pakistan served up that pitch, they'd get absolutely hammered. If Glammy did it, they'd get fined and docked points. India can do what they want but it doesn't make it right. Just how it isn't right that we will give India the greenest pitch anyone has ever seen this summer.

India though, get away with absolutely everything. Kohli has been seen to be screaming at umpires and gets away without any demerit points. The umpiring has been an absolute disgrace as well. It was so bad even Sunny Gavaskar couldn't think of a comeback when Agit said how bad England have had it.