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[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I listened to a few reports of their game on the first weekend and every pundit had already condemned them saying that they had serious problems.

And, as usual for the Championship, the pundits end up with egg on their face.

I'm not trying to gloss over what was a garbage performance, but if I had a tenner for every pundit who had written off a team in this division which then did ok, I'd probably have over a grand in the bank.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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The friendly before Watford they lost five nil to Oxford, they are absolutely rubbish, and so were we.

I remember us shipping 6 at Stockport in a pre season friendly. Why anyone gives any credibility to friendly results is beyond me.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I remember us shipping 6 at Stockport in a pre season friendly. Why anyone gives any credibility to friendly results is beyond me.

When it's followed up by a four nil stuffing in the league it shows a pattern, how anyone can't see that is beyond me.

[Moodybluebird]

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Well at least there hasn't been a false dawn......the sun hasn't come out yet. Hopefully, it will soon. Keep the faith.

[blue matt]

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Well at least there hasn't been a false dawn......the sun hasn't come out yet. Hopefully, it will soon. Keep the faith.

dont worry, when the sun does comes out, it'll be way too hot for some on here

[Bobby Dandruff]

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When it's followed up by a four nil stuffing in the league it shows a pattern, how anyone can't see that is beyond me.

One of the blokes on VFTN podcast made the interesting suggestion: that QPR were like us at Leeds - poor but somehow grabbed two goals, with the difference being that Leeds were good enough to overcome two daft goals conceded whereas we aren’t/weren’t!

[Jordi Culé]

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To keep up a tenuous link of the thread title...

Next '2 games' (league)...

Leicester away - currently 2nd, anyone see City scabbing a point?
Sheffield Wednesday home - need a win?

Next '2 games'...

Ipswich away - currently 1st, anyone see City scabbing a point there?
Jacks home - I expect the usual shiit show for this.

Bulut needs time but it's only being realistic to say by the time we get to 10 to 12 games into the season, City could be in the shiit and in the relegation zone.

I'm a misery guts.

[J R Hartley]

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To keep up a tenuous link of the thread title...

Next '2 games' (league)...

Leicester away - currently 2nd, anyone see City scabbing a point?
Sheffield Wednesday home - need a win?

Next '2 games'...

Ipswich away - currently 1st, anyone see City scabbing a point there?
Jacks home - I expect the usual shiit show for this.

Bulut needs time but it's only being realistic to say by the time we get to 10 to 12 games into the season, City could be in the shiit and in the relegation zone.

I'm a misery guts.

Meanwhile the Mighty Martyrs are top of the league

[Tuerto]

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Interesting thread is this. People are castigating the performance more than the result from what i'm reading. I wonder what the reaction would have been like if we'd scraped a win playing like that? A bit different i would have thought, although i'm quite certain that certain posters who are in a minority on here would have picked up on the performance.

Thing is, when people (and not that many) were showing concern over how we performed under Warnock, it was knocked back. Football is all about winning, the performance is secondary, that was the general retort. Thing is, no club on this planet can consistently perform poorly and win games, it's short term, you're going to get found out. And when you do, the fall from grace is quick and clinical, as we've seen ever since we came down from the premier league. No club can prosper playing the way we have, no club can prosper the way we have carried out our recruitment process, we end up with what happened last season. That's the trade off folks, for lazy backward spoil tactics Hail Mary football. So for those who weren't bothered about how we played when we were generally getting the results we wanted, then Saturday was for you. Enjoy.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Interesting thread is this. People are castigating the performance more than the result from what i'm reading. I wonder what the reaction would have been like if we'd scraped a win playing like that? A bit different i would have thought, although i'm quite certain that certain posters who are in a minority on here would have picked up on the performance.

Thing is, when people (and not that many) were showing concern over how we performed under Warnock, it was knocked back. Football is all about winning, the performance is secondary, that was the general retort. Thing is, no club on this planet can consistently perform poorly and win games, it's short term, you're going to get found out. And when you do, the fall from grace is quick and clinical, as we've seen ever since we came down from the premier league. No club can prosper playing the way we have, no club can prosper the way we have carried out our recruitment process, we end up with what happened last season. That's the trade off folks, for lazy backward spoil tactics Hail Mary football. So for those who weren't bothered about how we played when we were generally getting the results we wanted, then Saturday was for you. Enjoy.

Under Warnock, in the main the football wasn't too bad, at times pretty good. Those who [mostly] retrospectively lambast 'Warnockball' are critical of the style of play. The last 2 seasons it's more a case of the players just not being good enough to play any particular style.

[Tuerto]

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Under Warnock, in the main the football wasn't too bad, at times pretty good. Those who [mostly] retrospectively lambast 'Warnockball' are critical of the style of play. The last 2 seasons it's more a case of the players just not being good enough to play any particular style.

I don't agree. After the Leeds home game where we murdered them in every category, things started to change. Gone was the quick counter attacking football,getting the ball wide quickly, using pace to stretch the opposition. We slowly reverted to a team intent on winning by any means necessary and relied heavily on set pieces. That's not to say that we didn't have our moments, but a lot of it was dire. Players refusal to hold onto the ball,no movement, keep shape, give the ball straight back to the opposition with absolutely no intention of attempting to keep the ball or play through whoever we were playing against. Warnock shut it down and held out for free kicks and goals on the break,. It worked, but at the same time caused so much damage, it was never going to be sustainable or grow into anything.

The point i was making isn't really about Warnock though, it's about performance, which seems to be the general point people are making in this thread. We should have been calling it out years ago, but most of us didn't, some of us celebrated the fact that the brand of football we were churning out was at times, based on a method where the players on the pitch didn't even want to engage, the boxing equivalent of a fighter who just wants to hold his opponent for ten rounds and hopes for that one punch that can get the knock out.

Someone said that this has been happening for years. It has, and i understand why people are a bit pissed off, it's a new season, we all look forward to seeing something better, and i do believe that Bulut should be given time. But is he going to over turn 5 years of grunt football in one pre season? not a chance in hell.

[blue matt]

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Interesting thread is this. People are castigating the performance more than the result from what i'm reading. I wonder what the reaction would have been like if we'd scraped a win playing like that? A bit different i would have thought, although i'm quite certain that certain posters who are in a minority on here would have picked up on the performance.

Thing is, when people (and not that many) were showing concern over how we performed under Warnock, it was knocked back. Football is all about winning, the performance is secondary, that was the general retort. Thing is, no club on this planet can consistently perform poorly and win games, it's short term, you're going to get found out. And when you do, the fall from grace is quick and clinical, as we've seen ever since we came down from the premier league. No club can prosper playing the way we have, no club can prosper the way we have carried out our recruitment process, we end up with what happened last season. That's the trade off folks, for lazy backward spoil tactics Hail Mary football. So for those who weren't bothered about how we played when we were generally getting the results we wanted, then Saturday was for you. Enjoy.

Apart from the 1st 1/2 hour, our performance wasnt that bad imho, they scored 2 ( which imho were both preventable, the 1st a mistake, the 2nd a poor decision to slide in like that ) , I was sat next to some bloke in 109 that was screaming loads of " advice " at the players, most of it dire rubbish

When Ollie and Rubes came on, you must be blind to have missed some cracking exciting football, on a different day we could have scored a few during them last 20 mins, QPR were on the rope

you are right Tuerto, think back to the later Warnock time, just get the ball forward, hope for a free kick or Corner and try and score from that, it was rubbish, I hope we never see that rubbish again, if Bulut has a idea to play like we did in the last 20 mins, then great stuff, I'm happy with that

[Trigger]

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It's more the continuation of us bending over at home.

Almost unbelievable home form over the last couple of seasons.

I wasn't one getting carried away by our signings but I can understand those that were, everyone just wants to feel positive about the club but they just continually make it difficult.

We will of course know more after 10 matches. Really hoping Bulut can do well as he seems a good character and far more engaging but if he doesn't perform he probably won't see out Christmas.

[dandywarhol]

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Two games to the transfer window.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Interesting thread is this. People are castigating the performance more than the result from what i'm reading. I wonder what the reaction would have been like if we'd scraped a win playing like that? A bit different i would have thought, although i'm quite certain that certain posters who are in a minority on here would have picked up on the performance.

Thing is, when people (and not that many) were showing concern over how we performed under Warnock, it was knocked back. Football is all about winning, the performance is secondary, that was the general retort. Thing is, no club on this planet can consistently perform poorly and win games, it's short term, you're going to get found out. And when you do, the fall from grace is quick and clinical, as we've seen ever since we came down from the premier league. No club can prosper playing the way we have, no club can prosper the way we have carried out our recruitment process, we end up with what happened last season. That's the trade off folks, for lazy backward spoil tactics Hail Mary football. So for those who weren't bothered about how we played when we were generally getting the results we wanted, then Saturday was for you. Enjoy.

Warnock got results and points

It was also often exciting , with goalmouth action , penalty shouts

I didn't hear anything at all from your gang on here when warnock had us on the front foot

We needed some warnock bottle on Saturday as the manager was right , we were either playing out too slowly from the back or not getting stuck into them in midfield