Lack of rumours - The rumour thread

[J R Hartley]

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Agree, and u23 football. Whenever I have watched it it looks like an exercise in showing how an individual has been coached to death, a bit like those shit courses you have to go on with work that are carried out in safe and forgiving environments without the obvious Panic factor of a real life situation. Maybe that's harsh, but it's noticeable when young players make the step up.

Thing is, and without sounding like an old Twat ( which I sort of am) there doesn't seem to be the urgency with young players coming through at the club, and I don't think it's their fault, it's got to be the way they're coached and nurtured. Look at the players we have produced pre academy. Gunter, Lesley, Earnshaw, Ginge, Ramsey, Mathews etc They all had their faults, but they all had that character to succeed, take control of situations, prepared to make mistakes. That type of attitude seems to have gone with this ultra level of coaching. Might be wrong as it's only anecdotal, although I'm only speaking about our club.

Dont get me started on the coaching either, I commented on social media earlier on a clip of Dennis Bergkamp showing some individual skill how we are unlikely to see players like him again because coaches dont want individuality they are coaching the players into robots.

I had a bet on the other night and I needed a Gateshead goal v Chesterfield so I watched fo a bit. Ive never seen a side pass it backwards as much as Gateshead. They make Swansea City look like John Becks Cambridge. The amount of times they were in the opposing half and the ball ended back with their own keeper was mental. The left back was permanently facing his own goal. Honestly, his starting position to receive the ball was literally with his back to the goal he was meant to be attacking and first thought to pass it back to the centre half. Didnt see him look to pay forward once. 5-0 down and still tippy tapping across their own box when at least two of the goals they conceded were as a direct resut of them not being able to beat the press and losing it in their own area.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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According to an online checker it seems that he probably wouldn't get a work permit for here.

But if he plays in Belgium, he will immediately qualify. That loophole closes if Kortrijk get relegated

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Dont get me started on the coaching either, I commented on social media earlier on a clip of Dennis Bergkamp showing some individual skill how we are unlikely to see players like him again because coaches dont want individuality they are coaching the players into robots.

I had a bet on the other night and I needed a Gateshead goal v Chesterfield so I watched fo a bit. Ive never seen a side pass it backwards as much as Gateshead. They make Swansea City look like John Becks Cambridge. The amount of times they were in the opposing half and the ball ended back with their own keeper was mental. The left back was permanently facing his own goal. Honestly, his starting position to receive the ball was literally with his back to the goal he was meant to be attacking and first thought to pass it back to the centre half. Didnt see him look to pay forward once. 5-0 down and still tippy tapping across their own box when at least two of the goals they conceded were as a direct resut of them not being able to beat the press and losing it in their own area.

It’s so ****ing boring too. Don’t get me wrong, Leicester are an unbelievable side but it’s hardly wave after wave of attacks. It’s pass pass pass, until there’s half an opening, and then that might close and it goes back to square one again. It’s extremely effective and you have to be good to do it but it’s not something I enjoy watching

[J R Hartley]

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It’s so ****ing boring too. Don’t get me wrong, Leicester are an unbelievable side but it’s hardly wave after wave of attacks. It’s pass pass pass, until there’s half an opening, and then that might close and it goes back to square one again. It’s extremely effective and you have to be good to do it but it’s not something I enjoy watching

I go to watch Merthyr, who play some really good stuff and more often than not are better than the opposition so play out from the back succesfully. However, when the opposition does have the measure of them with the press, which has happened a few times at home this season, the manager still point blank refuses to go to a plan B and it seems would rather lose the game sticking to his principles than revert to the defence clearing their lines and winning second balls. Its bizarre to say the least.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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I go to watch Merthyr, who play some really good stuff and more often than not are better than the opposition so play out from the back succesfully. However, when the opposition does have the measure of them with the press, which has happened a few times at home this season, the manager still point blank refuses to go to a plan B and it seems would rather lose the game sticking to his principles than revert to the defence clearing their lines and winning second balls. It’s bizarre to say the least.

Everyone is the same. Nobody wants to turn a back 4 around or play balls into channels to unsettle teams. We were playing it out from the back when Leicester were going man for man, it was mental

[J R Hartley]

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Everyone is the same. Nobody wants to turn a back 4 around or play balls into channels to unsettle teams. We were playing it out from the back when Leicester were going man for man, it was mental

Looks great when the top teams do it. Brighton and Villa take so mamy risks and it looks great when they beat the press, however, in the Championship and below, often than not the defenders are just not good enough to play one touch quickly and it invariably leads to long winded, dull passages of tippy tappy bollocks. I want to pull my eyeballs out when I see teams who do it when they obviously dont have the personell to do it effectively.

I rememeber when Unai Emery would not waver on doing it at Arsenal and he had that Greek donkey at the back. Cost them so many goals. I just think its totally unnesecary if you havent got the players to do it. I also think its a lot to do with coaching vanity.

For me Klopps football is by far the best to watch. Attacking football without the tippy tappy nonsense.

[City123]

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Agree, and u23 football. Whenever I have watched it it looks like an exercise in showing how an individual has been coached to death, a bit like those shit courses you have to go on with work that are carried out in safe and forgiving environments without the obvious Panic factor of a real life situation. Maybe that's harsh, but it's noticeable when young players make the step up.

Thing is, and without sounding like an old Twat ( which I sort of am) there doesn't seem to be the urgency with young players coming through at the club, and I don't think it's their fault, it's got to be the way they're coached and nurtured. Look at the players we have produced pre academy. Gunter, Lesley, Earnshaw, Ginge, Ramsey, Mathews etc They all had their faults, but they all had that character to succeed, take control of situations, prepared to make mistakes. That type of attitude seems to have gone with this ultra level of coaching. Might be wrong as it's only anecdotal, although I'm only speaking about our club.

We've been really poor at sorting loans for ages. I get EFL clubs may not want a teenager but I don't get why we don't send 17 year olds to the Cymru Premier more often so they experience mens football. That experience will stand them in better stead to get loans in the EFL than playing u21s will.

What's baffling is that we regularly perform well at age group level, often beating Swansea and Bristol City yet they're the ones chucking youngsters into the first team. 17 year old Parker at Swansea's played a few games recently, I find it hard to believe he's streets ahead of each of our academy players given our results against Swansea in recent years

On the pre-academy players I also think we had managers more willing to put in a younger player

[Tuerto]

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We've been really poor at sorting loans for ages. I get EFL clubs may not want a teenager but I don't get why we don't send 17 year olds to the Cymru Premier more often so they experience mens football. That experience will stand them in better stead to get loans in the EFL than playing u21s will.

What's baffling is that we regularly perform well at age group level, often beating Swansea and Bristol City yet they're the ones chucking youngsters into the first team. 17 year old Parker at Swansea's played a few games recently, I find it hard to believe he's streets ahead of each of our academy players given our results against Swansea in recent years

On the pre-academy players I also think we had managers more willing to put in a younger player

Good shout about sending youngsters to the welsh premier league, if nothing else it would toughen them up, and they would be part of a real competitive set up. The players i mentioned would have played in the old Avon Combination reserve league against the likes of Swindon, the two Bristols, The Jacks, Plymouth, Exeter City etc. A 16-17 year old would have been at youth team level, so a step up to the reserves was a promotion. There would be players who had 300 first team appearances under their belt who had been dropped, or who were coming back from injury, young pros who were in and out, the 2nd goalkeeper would always play, and they were allowed a trialist, say a player who was out of contract or who had been released. It was competitive, and they had to learn quickly.

Compare Bagan to Gunter. Not a huge difference in ability, but a massive difference in character and a willingness to succeed and take control. Now that may be down to personality, or it could be about how they were brought up at the club. I don't know, but one thing is certain is that the club has failed massively in terms of developing young players.

[Tuerto]

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These kids are wrapped in a bubble from the age of 7 years old sometimes younger, and theyve not got the fight or desire that generations before had. Add that to the fact there is less aggression in the game and, for me anyway, weve lost something from our game.

Look at Sam Bowen for example. Dropping down to Newport at 21 years old he wasnt prepared for the physicality of league two. Its only now hes playing for Wealdstone, who like to get the ball down and play, hes finally showing what he can do in the mens game but hes 23 this month. Boys like that left to stagnate in academys its no good long term.

Sion Spence another. He was flying as a teenager, one of the best players for his age with Neco Williams with Wales under 21s. I think hes playing 6th or 7th tier now.

Sam Bowen had that rare quality of a player who plays with his head up, doesn't need to look at the ball. It's rare, see Hoddle and Le Tissier. I'm not comparing him to either of those players, that would be ridiculous, but what it does say is that he had a natural gift but maybe wasn't given the tools and skills that can be taught.

[NinianOpinion1927]

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Looks great when the top teams do it. Brighton and Villa take so mamy risks and it looks great when they beat the press, however, in the Championship and below, often than not the defenders are just not good enough to play one touch quickly and it invariably leads to long winded, dull passages of tippy tappy bollocks. I want to pull my eyeballs out when I see teams who do it when they obviously dont have the personell to do it effectively.

I rememeber when Unai Emery would not waver on doing it at Arsenal and he had that Greek donkey at the back. Cost them so many goals. I just think its totally unnesecary if you havent got the players to do it. I also think its a lot to do with coaching vanity.

For me Klopps football is by far the best to watch. Attacking football without the tippy tappy nonsense.

Liverpool are not averse to measured long balls if a good press is implemented

[TWGL1]

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I thought all transfers were agreed weeks in advance, and they only delay them until deadline day for the drama?

Umut Nayir has been loaned to Pendikspor, a deal that was done at the beginning of the season, so it seems its happened again


✍️According to the agreement made at the beginning of the season between Eyüpspor and Fenerbahçe: Both clubs approval was required for Umut Nayir to transfer to another team.

Let’s see though

https://x.com/bulutcuyuz/status/1746234171675025573?s=61&t=opXYWu2ILhmySD2aRt-GNg

[Cleve van Leef]

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A good sauce believes the following are close to signing
Moore, Bakasetas and Ucan (or can’t or even want)

[Mr Soul '68]

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Dirk Kuyt has been seen in the city heard he went to Howell's with his doughter

They'd never allow him to study there, it's a girls only school. His daughter yes, Dirk, no!

[RichardM]

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They'd never allow him to study there, it's a girls only school. His daughter yes, Dirk, no!

The sixth form college is co-ed