Yes Cymru

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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In South wales we have more in common with the west country than we do with Llanidloes or Llangollen

Huge metal & dogging community in Llangollen that would put Bridgend to shame.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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Maybe because we've been ****ed over by Westminster for decades.

well I am not going to disagree about that

But I believe a strong Wales within the UK is the best option given that independence is never going to happen

We can blame corbyn for us losing loads of seats to a party that is opposed to Wales being anything other than a shiny shoe boy

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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well I am not going to disagree about that

But I believe a strong Wales within the UK is the best option given that independence is never going to happen

We can blame corbyn for us losing loads of seats to a party that is opposed to Wales being anything other than a shiny shoe boy

I don't blame Corbyn.

People should have seen through the bullshit peddled about him.

[Rjk]

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It is true

Its been that way since the industrial revolution and the coal , steel and Iron industries that brought loads of people from Somerset and the West Country to work in South Wales

I have seen costings that suggest Wales can pay for itself, which seemed entirely reasonable.

We sit here thinking - oh poor Wales, cant afford to be a proper country - yet why is that still the case, after x hundred years of control by England, why are we still the poorest part of the UK? because we are continually neglected, and there is no reason to imagine that is going to change any time soon.

100 years ago Ireland was becoming independent. It was the poorest part of the UK, only really did trade with the UK. and had a really weak economy.

100 years later and they have fared a lot better on their own than they would have within the UK. If they can do it then why can't we?

There are plenty of countries in Europe that would have a lower GDP than a separate Wales. Croatia for example - they manage to be a functioning country don't they?

[DubaiDai]

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Maybe because we've been ****ed over by Westminster for decades.

I think you will find that, give it another year or two and the Welsh economy will be in ruins because of the inability of the current Sennedd to persuade manufacturing or businesses to relocate to Wales.

[Rjk]

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I think you will find that, give it another year or two and the Welsh economy will be in ruins because of the inability of the current Sennedd to persuade manufacturing or businesses to relocate to Wales.

I don't think so

[sneggyblubird]

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I have seen costings that suggest Wales can pay for itself, which seemed entirely reasonable.

We sit here thinking - oh poor Wales, cant afford to be a proper country - yet why is that still the case, after x hundred years of control by England, why are we still the poorest part of the UK? because we are continually neglected, and there is no reason to imagine that is going to change any time soon.

100 years ago Ireland was becoming independent. It was the poorest part of the UK, only really did trade with the UK. and had a really weak economy.

100 years later and they have fared a lot better on their own than they would have within the UK. If they can do it then why can't we?

There are plenty of countries in Europe that would have a lower GDP than a separate Wales. Croatia for example - they manage to be a functioning country don't they?

Any costings are fanciful at best and as for the Irish argument the place was a wasteland until they joined the EU.And the poor bastards will feel the effect of brexit just like us but at least we voted for it.

[Rjk]

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Any costings are fanciful at best and as for the Irish argument the place was a wasteland until they joined the EU.And the poor bastards will feel the effect of brexit just like us but at least we voted for it.

strange that you dismiss any costings as fanciful when I haven't even provided the link yet? because they don't conform to you preconceived ideas?

[WJ99mobile]

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strange that you dismiss any costings as fanciful when I haven't even provided the link yet? because they don't conform to you preconceived ideas?

Have you got anything to read on costings? Genuine interest

My feelings on the Scottish thread is that Wales would get squeezed to an inch of its life by England if independent.

The topography alone inhibits so much natural investment. Why on earth do we think companies would want to go to the top of the valleys

[Rjk]

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Have you got anything to read on costings? Genuine interest

My feelings on the Scottish thread is that Wales would get squeezed to an inch of its life by England if independent.

The topography alone inhibits so much natural investment. Why on earth do we think companies would want to go to the top of the valleys

There's quite lot of stuff out there, but this is interesting . Pretty even handed I'd say:

The same group have written a number of papers on the topic over the years.

https://www.cardiff.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0004/1767424/Wales_Fiscal_Future_FINAL.pdf

It does highlight that there will be big challenges, but there are also ways to overcome them . Staying in a union that is only interested in investing in the south east of England is also a risk as highlighted in the report.

And at last it shows that all the talk of becoming a 3rd world country within a few years is really without foundation.

[blue matt]

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do people really think that Wales are due to become a 3rd world country ? ? ? are people really buying that

[AntEvans]

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I'm one of the 18,000 Yes Cymru members. They are not aligned with any one party. They simply want a better future for Wales. The UK as we know it will be gone over the next decade or so. Scotland will leave, so it makes sense to at least consider the alternatives. Do I think we'd initially face some tough times as an independent nation? Without a doubt. I'd prefer that over being ruled by Westminster, though. How often does Wales actually vote for the party in power at Westminster? And why are the English so desperate to keep control of us and Scotland if we have nothing to offer? The Eton Elite are hardly know for their utilitarianism.

[blue matt]

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I used to be very pro plaid cymru, as a apprenticeship i worked with a bloke who was massive Welsh Nationalist ( he always said he was a relative of Dennis Coslett ( of FWA fame ), he had the same surname, so who knows ? ? ? ) I was right into it

It was not till i moved down here that i realised, The English really do not hate the Welsh, they really are indifferent about us as a nation, yes we have sports rivalry, during the Euro 16 campaign, a fair few were supporting Wales, some even like Tom Jones

Now the idea that Westminster doesnt have time for Wales, if you speak to people from the midlands or up north, they say exactly the same thing, The Cornish think that the Government do not spend enough money in Cornwall, this moan is not exclusive to the Welsh, i bet if you spoke to the Gogs they might say that the Senedd spend too much money on south wales, people like to blame others for anything they can

[life on mars]

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I used to be very pro plaid cymru, as a apprenticeship i worked with a bloke who was massive Welsh Nationalist ( he always said he was a relative of Dennis Coslett ( of FWA fame ), he had the same surname, so who knows ? ? ? ) I was right into it

It was not till i moved down here that i realised, The English really do not hate the Welsh, they really are indifferent about us as a nation, yes we have sports rivalry, during the Euro 16 campaign, a fair few were supporting Wales, some even like Tom Jones

Now the idea that Westminster doesnt have time for Wales, if you speak to people from the midlands or up north, they say exactly the same thing, The Cornish think that the Government do not spend enough money in Cornwall, this moan is not exclusive to the Welsh, i bet if you spoke to the Gogs they might say that the Senedd spend too much money on south wales, people like to blame others for anything they can

Brilliant summary .

[B. Oddie]

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I don't blame Corbyn.

People should have seen through the bullshit peddled about him.

There are too many Sun and Daily Mail readers on this forum to appreciate your comment though, unfortunately.