Win rate v Entertainment?

[PontBlue]

Re: Win rate v Entertainment?

If we play the same way next season I don't see us being as fortunate as we have been this season.

It's not just Bulut there are issues with our entire squad.

FFP, or whatever it is called these days, will almost certainly hamper any kind of rebuild. In addition our squad contains too many and too many old players but we will struggle to shift the squad deadweight. We can only hope many of them are out of contract to give us manoeuvrability in the transfer market.

[Hilts]

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I think that it has everything to do with Jones.

He chose the players and set the team up (loosely by all accounts).

The football seemed to be entertaining across all of his time at the club, not just when those players that you mention were playing.

Fair enough.

I was delighted when Jones was replaced and I think it was a couple of years too late.

If wed employed a tactically better manager and added some bite to the centre of midfield and switched from 442 that core group would I believe been promoted.

However saying that credit has to be given to Jones for the squad he assembled and for clearly getting the absolute best out of Jay Bothroyd.

[J R Hartley]

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Unfortunately we dont have players anywhere near the quality of Bothroyd Chopra Whitts Burke McCormack. Throw in Koumas and Bellamy and a young Ramsey as well.

I dont think its anything to do with Dave Jones tactics. Which seemed to be 442 big man little man up top and the players just get on with it.

You’re despise of Dave Jones knows no boundaries Hilts :hehe:

It was largely thanks to Dave Jones we had players of that quality. It was largely thanks to Jones we become a club with real aspirations to get in the Premier League.

Yes the Ridler spending money he didn’t really have helped but Jones signed some absolute gems for peanuts, who were then either sold on for good money or become legends of the club.

No one could get a tune out of the talented Jay Bothroyd until Jones got him under his wing and no more words need writing about the great Peter Whittingham and the player he become,largely thanks to the confidence Jones gave him to express himself.

To give Jones no credit for the progression we made as a club and the football we played under him is utterly laughable :hehe:

[Hilts]

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You’re despise of Dave Jones knows no boundaries Hilts :hehe:

It was largely thanks to Dave Jones we had players of that quality. It was largely thanks to Jones we become a club with real aspirations to get in the Premier League.

Yes the Ridler spending money he didn’t really have helped but Jones signed some absolute gems for peanuts, who were then either sold on for good money or become legends of the club.

No one could get a tune out of the talented Jay Bothroyd until Jones got him under his wing and no more words need writing about the great Peter Whittingham and the player he become,largely thanks to the confidence Jones gave him to express himself.

To give Jones no credit for the progression we made as a club and the football we played under him is utterly laughable :hehe:

😂😂😂

See above - I have given him some credit.

I dont despise him but his decisions in the play off final will long live in the memory.😂

[BlueArmy 86]

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We’ve been entertaining at times this year, in only Buluts first season.

We may be more consistent in his second year..

[KingOfSiamIAm]

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Dave Jones:

Played 315 games. 132 wins (41.9%), 99 defeats (31.4%). Goals scored 440 (1.40 per game), goals conceded 377 (1.20 per game).

Erol Bulut:

Played 49 games. 21 wins (42.9%), 23 defeats (46.9%). Goals scored 58 (1.18 per game), goals conceded 77 (1.57 per game).

That makes points per game:
Dave Jones entertaining style= 1.52ppg
Erol Bulut pragmatic style = 1.39ppg

[The Lone Gunman]

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We’ve been entertaining at times this year, in only Buluts first season.

When would you say that was?

[J R Hartley]

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When would you say that was?

For about 30 minutes against Swansea at home

[Hilts]

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Theres been small periods of entertainment. Ipswich we started on the front foot home and away and played well. V Ipswich we also played well when behind in the home game.

[Bobby Dandruff]

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Theres been small periods of entertainment. Ipswich we started on the front foot home and away and played well. V Ipswich we also played well when behind in the home game.

We were entertaining in periods at the start of the season, which gave me lots of hope. It was refreshing (whilst is lasted!)

Leeds, Leicester, Ipswich (all away), the JBs second half at home.

Maybe being pegged back in each of those first 3 games caused Bulut to change his approach as we ended up getting pushed deeper and deeper?

[Taffy Blue in Berkshire]

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Having watched Hull v Ipswich and seen the Wrexham v Stockport highlights we are definitely getting short changed on entertainment.

[the other bob wilson]

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My reaction when we signed Jay Bothroyd was “why are we signing that waster?” :facepalm:

My list of games where City played entertaining footballing 23/24.

Leicester A for a spell in the second half.
The first hour or so at Ipswich.
League Cupwin at Birmingham.
The last quarter of Swansea at home.
Huddersfield away for about an hour.
Thought we played well at times in the second half at Stoke.
Plymouth on Boxing Day was an enjoyable game.
Twenty minutes of Ipswich at home.
Parts of Coventry away.
About a quarter of the Southampton home game.

Just four matches out of twenty three at home.

Games where we’ve been boring and/or poor.

QPR home.
Watford home.
Middlesbrough away.
Blackburn away.
West Brom home.
Southampton away.
Millwall home.
Birmingham home.
Hull away.
Sheffield Weds away.
Leicester home.
Leeds home.
Plymouth away.
Watford away.
Preston home.
West Brom away.
Norwich away.
Blackburn home.
Bristol C away.
Huddersfield home.
Most of Ipswich home.
Swansea away.
Sunderland home.
Hull home.
A lot of Birmingham away.
Millwall away.

Thirteen home games and the same number of away games where I’ve thought we were poor and/or boring and I think I’m being generous in not including games like Blackburn in the League Cup, Norwich home, Sheffield Weds in the Cup, Stoke home and yesterday in that list.

There has not been a single game where I’d say we’ve turned in a complete ninety minute performance (Huddersfield away was the closest, but, understandably perhaps, we got sloppy late on) and there’s not been a single game we’ve lost that I’ve thought we were very unlucky not to get anything out of that game.

Also, in nearly all of our home games from September onwards, I’d say we played with just one genuine attacking player. Our so called wingers have been more like defenders most of the time (Ashford was like Ollie Tanner back in the autumn yesterday - more concerned with showing his manager how defensively responsible he was, rather than doing what he’s best at).

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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That makes points per game:
Dave Jones entertaining style= 1.52ppg
Erol Bulut pragmatic style = 1.39ppg

I didn't include points per game as the figures included cup ties.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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My reaction when we signed Jay Bothroyd was “why are we signing that waster?” :facepalm:

My list of games where City played entertaining footballing 23/24.

Leicester A for a spell in the second half.
The first hour or so at Ipswich.
League Cupwin at Birmingham.
The last quarter of Swansea at home.
Huddersfield away for about an hour.
Thought we played well at times in the second half at Stoke.
Plymouth on Boxing Day was an enjoyable game.
Twenty minutes of Ipswich at home.
Parts of Coventry away.
About a quarter of the Southampton home game.

Just four matches out of twenty three at home.

Games where we’ve been boring and/or poor.

QPR home.
Watford home.
Middlesbrough away.
Blackburn away.
West Brom home.
Southampton away.
Millwall home.
Birmingham home.
Hull away.
Sheffield Weds away.
Leicester home.
Leeds home.
Plymouth away.
Watford away.
Preston home.
West Brom away.
Norwich away.
Blackburn home.
Bristol C away.
Huddersfield home.
Most of Ipswich home.
Swansea away.
Sunderland home.
Hull home.
A lot of Birmingham away.
Millwall away.

Thirteen home games and the same number of away games where I’ve thought we were poor and/or boring and I think I’m being generous in not including games like Blackburn in the League Cup, Norwich home, Sheffield Weds in the Cup, Stoke home and yesterday in that list.

There has not been a single game where I’d say we’ve turned in a complete ninety minute performance (Huddersfield away was the closest, but, understandably perhaps, we got sloppy late on) and there’s not been a single game we’ve lost that I’ve thought we were very unlucky not to get anything out of that game.

Also, in nearly all of our home games from September onwards, I’d say we played with just one genuine attacking player. Our so called wingers have been more like defenders most of the time (Ashford was like Ollie Tanner back in the autumn yesterday - more concerned with showing his manager how defensively responsible he was, rather than doing what he’s best at).

Good summary

[jon1959]

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We’ve been entertaining at times this year, in only Buluts first season.

We may be more consistent in his second year..

That's the worry.