Eli King wins young player

[Tuerto]

Re: Eli King wins young player

I'd love to know what you're basing this on

Steady now, Delm.......

[AdrianAlston]

Re: Eli King wins young player

I'd love to know what you're basing this on

By watching all 5 players many times. What do you base your snap judgements on our best promising youngsters?

Although, I accept there is a big drop off from potential to seasoned championship footballer. There have been so many who have failed to bridge that gap. Tommy O'Sullivan (what a talent) didn't even make it at Hereford.

[delmbox]

Re: Eli King wins young player

By watching all 5 players many times. What do you base your snap judgements on our best promising youngsters?

Although, I accept there is a big drop off from potential to seasoned championship footballer. There have been so many who have failed to bridge that gap. Tommy O'Sullivan (what a talent) didn't even make it at Hereford.

I haven't made any snap judgements, I didn't even tell you my opinion of them. I just think what you said is a pretty big claim that's all, I'd love it if you end up being right

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Eli King wins young player

I haven't made any snap judgements, I didn't even tell you my opinion of them. I just think what you said is a pretty big claim that's all, I'd love it if you end up being right

Ah Delme , where have you been?

We have a new game now.

If a loan player gets MOM in conference league south , we do a bit of hand wringing and scream for them to come back ,say he is a midfielder
Then if another loan player gets MOM in the bottom of the Syrian league he also plays midfield , hey Presto we have the midfield for coming season . And why did we ever let them go ???
Like Ryan Wintle ...Oh Yeah there have been discerning voices on that one...not mine I may add.. .

Its quite an easy game , why dont you join in?

Oh and managers ....
No one would ever want to mange Cardiff because we have the only difficult owner in the league.
All the other megalomaniac billionaire owners are charming ,caring ,witty, non meddling, people.

[City123]

Re: Eli King wins young player

Steady now, Delm.......

I suppose anyone has the "potential" to be better...

I'm sure, with the right coaching, that my dog could be just as adept at chasing the ball around the field as Siopis is

[AdrianAlston]

Re: Eli King wins young player

I haven't made any snap judgements, I didn't even tell you my opinion of them. I just think what you said is a pretty big claim that's all, I'd love it if you end up being right

I did make a second post claiming that we should sign 2 new and better midfield players.

I'd just prefer it if the squad depth was provided by quality, promising younger players not has beans.

Watch King and Colwill jnr, they are two very good athletes who play with the drive and pace that we have been missing in our midfield for a number of seasons. They'll be Pro footballers for sure, let's hope they develop enough for it to be at Championship level or above.

But then I thought Lee Jarman was nailed on to be a Pemiership player, so what do I know.

[delmbox]

Re: Eli King wins young player

But then I thought Lee Jarman was nailed on to be a Pemiership player, so what do I know.

there's still time!

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Eli King wins young player

I did make a second post claiming that we should sign 2 new and better midfield players.

I'd just prefer it if the squad depth was provided by quality, promising younger players not has beans.

Watch King and Colwill jnr, they are two very good athletes who play with the drive and pace that we have been missing in our midfield for a number of seasons. They'll be Pro footballers for sure, let's hope they develop enough for it to be at Championship level or above.

But then I thought Lee Jarman was nailed on to be a Pemiership player, so what do I know.

I’d say that, even at this stage of his career, Joel Colwill is the best box to box type central midfielder in contention for a first team place at the club.

[fugsyphil]

Re: Eli King wins young player

Turnbull has had mixed reviews at best since coming to the city from the best team in Scotland. So how the hell would Eli King who's improving but hardly tearing up trees in the same league possibly be an improvement on Turnbull?

[AdrianAlston]

Re: Eli King wins young player

I’d say that, even at this stage of his career, Joel Colwill is the best box to box type central midfielder in contention for a first team place at the club.

Difficult to disagree with that. Although, whilst I think he is a big talent he is the only box to box central midfielder at the Club!!!

[AdrianAlston]

Re: Eli King wins young player

Turnbull has had mixed reviews at best since coming to the city from the best team in Scotland. So how the hell would Eli King who's improving but hardly tearing up trees in the same league possibly be an improvement on Turnbull?

It's a fair point about Turnbull. The counter argument is that Turnbull hardly had a kick for Celtic in his last 2 years with them (he fell out of favour mid way through the 2021-22 season). You make it sound like he was a top rated player.

After watching Turnbull since Christmas I'm pretty confident any number of midfielders would be an improvement, young or old.

The assertion that King was 'hardly tearing up trees' is not really accurate. He had excellent reviews and won his clubs young player of the year award despite being with them only 6 months. But fair enough if you don't rate him, however I think he has something. He is a really good dap; a Declan Rice build and physique, has the best engine at the club, and is a pretty good set piece taker. The one criticism I have of him, is that he plays within himself. With his size and stamina he should look to impose himself more on the game and dominate. I think Morison said something similar after those couple of starts in Feb '22 against Liverpool and Coventry - that was that he had to take more chances, to be more positive with his passing rather than just take the safe option. Morison was a conundrum, he talked a lot of sense, but said it in a really, annoying and irritating way.

[Jimmy the Jock]

Re: Eli King wins young player

It's a fair point about Turnbull. The counter argument is that Turnbull hardly had a kick for Celtic in his last 2 years with them (he fell out of favour mid way through the 2021-22 season). You make it sound like he was a top rated player.

After watching Turnbull since Christmas I'm pretty confident any number of midfielders would be an improvement, young or old.

The assertion that King was 'hardly tearing up trees' is not really accurate. He had excellent reviews and won his clubs young player of the year award despite being with them only 6 months. But fair enough if you don't rate him, however I think he has something. He is a really good dap; a Declan Rice build and physique, has the best engine at the club, and is a pretty good set piece taker. The one criticism I have of him, is that he plays within himself. With his size and stamina he should look to impose himself more on the game and dominate. I think Morison said something similar after those couple of starts in Feb '22 against Liverpool and Coventry - that was that he had to take more chances, to be more positive with his passing rather than just take the safe option. Morison was a conundrum, he talked a lot of sense, but said it in a really, annoying and irritating way.

I dunno , hardly fell out of favour in 2021
I remember him playing for Celtic week in week out , which he was till he joined us .
These are the games he played in. I would surmise his contract was coming to an end and Celtic wanted to get a couple of quid for him?

1 8/5/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (11.) 4:2 CM 2 67'
2 8/13/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (9.) 1:3 CM 27' 45'
3 8/26/23 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (11.) 0:0 CM 60'
4 9/3/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (4.) 0:1 CM 66'
5 9/16/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Dundee FC Dundee FC (9.) 3:0 CM 1 60'
6 9/23/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (10.) 0:3 on the bench
7 9/30/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (5.) 1:2 CM 14'
8 10/7/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (11.) 3:1 Not in squad
9 10/22/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (4.) 1:4 on the bench
10 10/28/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (10.) 0:0 CM 33'
11 11/1/23 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (3.) 2:1 CM 1 74'
12 11/4/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (7.) 0:3 CM 1 62'
13 11/12/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (6.) 6:0 CM 1 37'
14 11/25/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (10.) 1:1 CM 1 23'
15 12/3/23 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (12.) 1:3 CM 58'
16 12/6/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (5.) 4:1 on the bench
17 12/10/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (6.) 2:1 on the bench
18 12/16/23 H Celtic FC (2.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (3.) 0:2 CM 45'
19 12/23/23 H Celtic FC (2.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (12.) 2:0 CM 10'
20 12/26/23 A Celtic FC (2.) Dundee FC Dundee FC (7.) 0:3 on the bench
21 12/30/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 2:1 CM 80' 19'
22 1/2/24 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (5.) 0:3 on the bench
23 1/27/24 H Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (11.) 1:0

Premiership 25 4 6 1 - 1 821'
UEFA Champions League Champions League 5 - - - - - 97'
Scottish Premiership Top Six Split Scottish Premiership Top Six Split 3 - - - - - 52'
Scottish FA Cup SFA Cup 3 1 - - - - 154'
Scottish League Cup League Cup 2 - 1 - - - 90'
UEFA Champions LeagueUEFA CHAMPIONS LEAGUE
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Group F 9/6/22 H Celtic FC Real Madrid Real Madrid 0:3 CM 18'
Group F 9/14/22 A Celtic FC Shakhtar Donetsk Shakhtar D. 1:1 AM 22'
Group F 10/5/22 A Celtic FC RB Leipzig RB Leipzig 3:1 Ankle injury
Group F 10/11/22 H Celtic FC RB Leipzig RB Leipzig 0:2 CM 24'
Group F 10/25/22 H Celtic FC Shakhtar Donetsk Shakhtar D. 1:1 6'
Group F 11/2/22 A Celtic FC Real Madrid Real Madrid 5:1 CM 27'
Squad: 5, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 5, On the bench: 0, Suspended: 0, Injured: 1
European QualifiersEUROPEAN QUALIFIERS
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Group A 3/25/23 H Scotland (8.) Cyprus Cyprus (47.) 3:0 Not in squad
Group A 3/28/23 H Scotland (4.) Spain Spain (21.) 2:0 Not in squad
Group A 6/17/23 A Scotland (5.) Norway Norway (43.) 1:2 Not in squad
Group A 6/20/23 H Scotland (4.) Georgia Georgia (26.) 2:0 Not in squad
Group A 9/8/23 A Scotland Cyprus Cyprus 0:3 Not in squad
Group A 10/12/23 A Scotland Spain Spain 2:0 Not in squad
Group A 11/16/23 A Scotland Georgia Georgia 2:2 Not in squad
Group A 11/19/23 H Scotland Norway Norway 3:3 Not in squad
Squad: 0, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 0, On the bench: 0, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
International FriendliesINTERNATIONAL FRIENDLIES
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
14 11/16/22 A Scotland Türkiye Türkiye 2:1 Not in squad
Squad: 0, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 0, On the bench: 0, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
UEFA Nations League BUEFA NATIONS LEAGUE B
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Group 1 6/8/22 H Scotland Armenia Armenia 2:0 on the bench
Group 1 6/11/22 A Scotland Republic of Ireland Ireland 3:0 on the bench
Group 1 6/14/22 A Scotland Armenia Armenia 1:4 CM 26'
Group 1 9/21/22 H Scotland Ukraine Ukraine 3:0 Not in squad
Group 1 9/24/22 H Scotland Republic of Ireland Ireland 2:1 Not in squad
Group 1 9/27/22 A Scotland Ukraine Ukraine 0:0 Not in squad
Squad: 3, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 1, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
Scottish PremiershipSCOTTISH PREMIERSHIP
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
1 7/31/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (12.) 2:0 AM 1 24'
2 8/6/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (11.) 1:3 CM 72'
3 8/14/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (11.) 0:5 CM 66'
4 8/21/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (4.) 2:0 CM 56'
5 8/28/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Dundee United FC Dundee United (12.) 0:9 CM 1 28'
6 9/3/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 4:0 AM 1 18'
8 9/18/22 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (5.) 2:0 CM 57'
9 10/1/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (7.) 2:1 25'
10 10/8/22 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (9.) 1:2 Ankle injury
11 10/15/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (4.) 6:1 Ankle injury
12 10/22/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (5.) 3:4 Ankle injury
13 10/30/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (9.) 0:3 CM 1 23'
14 11/5/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Dundee United FC Dundee United (12.) 4:2 CM 88'
15 11/9/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (9.) 1:2 CM 1 21'
16 11/12/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (10.) 2:1 AM 1 45' 90'
17 12/17/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (4.) 0:1 CM 18'
7 12/21/22 H Celtic FC (1.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (4.) 2:1 26'
18 12/24/22 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (5.) 4:1 AM 90 + 6' 11'
19 12/28/22 A Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (8.) 0:4 Not in squad
20 1/2/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 2:2 Not in squad
21 1/7/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (11.) 2:0 7'
22 1/18/23 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (7.) 4:0 1 20'
23 1/29/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Dundee United FC Dundee United (10.) 0:2 CM 23'
24 2/1/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Livingston FC Livingston FC (5.) 3:0 15'
25 2/5/23 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Johnstone FC St. Johnstone (8.) 1:4 CM 1 11'
26 2/18/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (7.) 4:0 Not in squad
28 3/5/23 A Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (6.) 1:5 on the bench
27 3/8/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (3.) 3:1 on the bench
29 3/18/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (5.) 3:1 CM 2 77'
30 4/2/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Ross County FC Ross County (11.) 0:2 15'
31 4/8/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 3:2 CM 5'
32 4/16/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC (11.) 1:4 22'
33 4/22/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Motherwell FC Motherwell FC (8.) 1:1 3'
Squad: 27, Starting eleven: 6, Substituted in: 19, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 3
Scottish Premiership Top Six SplitSCOTTISH PREMIERSHIP TOP SIX SPLIT
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
1 5/7/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. (4.) 0:2 on the bench
2 5/13/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Rangers FC Rangers (2.) 3:0 16'
3 5/20/23 H Celtic FC (1.) St. Mirren FC St. Mirren (6.) 2:2 on the bench
4 5/24/23 A Celtic FC (1.) Hibernian FC Hibernian FC (5.) 4:2 25'
5 5/27/23 H Celtic FC (1.) Aberdeen FC Aberdeen FC (3.) 5:0 11'
Squad: 5, Starting eleven: 0, Substituted in: 3, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
Scottish FA CupSCOTTISH FA CUP
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Fourth Round 1/21/23 H Celtic FC Greenock Morton FC Morton 5:0 CM 1 77'
Round of 16 2/11/23 H Celtic FC St. Mirren FC St. Mirren 5:1 CM 63'
Quarter-Finals 3/11/23 A Celtic FC Heart of Midlothian FC Heart of Midl. 0:3 on the bench
Semi-Finals 4/30/23 A Celtic FC Rangers FC Rangers 0:1 on the bench
Final 6/3/23 H Celtic FC Inverness Caledonian Thistle FC Inverness CT 3:1 14'
Squad: 5, Starting eleven: 2, Substituted in: 1, On the bench: 2, Suspended: 0, Injured: 0
Scottish League CupSCOTTISH LEAGUE CUP
Compact
Detailed
Matchday Date Venue For Opponent Result Pos.
Round of 16 8/31/22 A Celtic FC Ross County FC Ross County 1:4 AM 1 90'
Quarter-Finals 10/18/22 A Celtic FC Motherwell FC Motherwell FC 0:4 Ankle injury
Semi-Finals 1/14/23 H Celtic FC Kilmarnock FC Kilmarnock FC 2:0 1'
Final 2/26/23 A Celtic FC Rangers FC Rangers 1:2 on the bench
Squad: 3, Starting eleven: 1, Substituted in: 1, On the bench: 1, Suspended: 0, Injured: 1

[Alan Lung]

Re: Eli King wins young player

I'd love to know what you're basing this on

I love you

[the other bob wilson]

Re: Eli King wins young player

Difficult to disagree with that. Although, whilst I think he is a big talent he is the only box to box central midfielder at the Club!!!

Well, there is that!

[AdrianAlston]

Re: Eli King wins young player

I dunno , hardly fell out of favour in 2021
I remember him playing for Celtic week in week out , which he was till he joined us .
These are the games he played in. I would surmise his contract was coming to an end and Celtic wanted to get a couple of quid for him?

Turnbull started only 16 league games between the 19th December 2021 and the time he joined us in Jan 24.

https://www.soccerbase.com/players/player.sd?player_id=86689

I accept that he was in the match day squad a lot and made many sub appearances. But in the 18 months prior and including Dec '21 he had been 1st choice.

I was very excited when we signed him as I, like you, had believed he was still a major player for Celtic. However after after looking at the stats, speaking to my golfing buddy who is a Celtic fan (yes, I know how clichéd that sounds) and watching him, that excitement soon subsided. He may still come good, though.

I wonder if he had a bad injury in Dec '21? His fall from grace appears very sudden and he doesn't even make sub appearances in the very early part of 2022.

Finally sorry for deleting the stat section of your post but it would have made the thread unreadable