The Transfer Window Rumours thread

[the other bob wilson]

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Just watched a stream by someone who I believe is quite well connected at the club who said El Ghazi flew in very early in the morning and was taking his medical at 8 o clock. It seems he’s signed his contract. He also said that El Ghazi had the chance of going elsewhere when Watford came in with a late bid, but he turned them down.

Apparently Kanga has a permanent deal in place if he meets certain targets during the season,

He says Robertson was City’s second choice in midfield, but the first one was not available at first, last week though he contacted City to say he was interested in coming here. The bloke doing the stream said that there was a small chance that we could sign both of them.

There’s got to be a few leaving now surely.

[jon1959]

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Stoke working on a deal for Wintle apparently

https://footballleagueworld.co.uk/frontrunner-emerges-as-stoke-city-and-blackburn-rovers-battle-for-cardiff-city-player/

[jon1959]

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Interesting.

[TWGL1]

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Stoke views on Wintle https://oatcakefanzine.proboards.com...24/ryan-wintle

[AdrianAlston]

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Looks like a definite strategy this window to spend on salaries rather than fees. Probably quite shrewd.

Do you think? It's the opposite of Moneyball which has proved to be the successful process with all teams who have broken the monopoly. We are gambling with high costs and intangible assets. I'm no football expert, but it appears to be a very dodgy short term gamble. Smacks of boardroom power struggle and insecure, CV polishing manager.

I will be, of course, cheering everyone of them on. But, I could just as easily be horrified to see Colwill, Davies, Ashford, King etc sold to pay for some under performing, overpaid has-beens inflated salaries who we subsequently have to buy out of their contract.

I don't think we've made one good signing yet, although accept that Kanga could turn out to be a gem.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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Do you think? It's the opposite of Moneyball which has proved to be the successful process with all teams who have broken the monopoly. We are gambling with high costs and intangible assets. I'm no football expert, but it appears to be a very dodgy short term gamble. Smacks of boardroom power struggle and insecure, CV polishing manager.

I will be, of course, cheering everyone of them on. But, I could just as easily be horrified to see Colwill, Davies, Ashford, King etc sold to pay for some under performing, overpaid has-beens inflated salaries who we subsequently have to buy out of their contract.

I don't think we've made one good signing yet, although accept that Kanga could turn out to be a gem.

Depends on the execution of course, but it could mean bringing in players of a level we wouldn't be able to afford if we were paying fees.
I also don't want to see us bringing in players who block the progress of the likes of those you mentioned without adding any value on the pitch.
We really do seem to have a good crop of academy players. The trick is to bring in quality around them rather than instead of them. Only time will tell whether we do that.

[AdrianAlston]

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Depends on the execution of course, but it could mean bringing in players of a level we wouldn't be able to afford if we were paying fees.
I also don't want to see us bringing in players who block the progress of the likes of those you mentioned without adding any value on the pitch.
We really do seem to have a good crop of academy players. The trick is to bring in quality around them rather than instead of them. Only time will tell whether we do that.

I'd like to see a mix. Of course we need experience.

But we had an old 1st team squad before these 4 signings.

With regard to the youngsters, I didn't mention blocking progress, I suggested their sale. We now have 30 senior (over 21 in age) pros. Our only saleable assets are the ones I mentioned. Our only signings in the last 3 seasons which could be considered 'investments' have been McGuinness and Tanner.

As I said, I'll be cheering them on. But the days of a Sam Allardyce or Lawrie Mcmenemy building teams of experienced old pros hasn't been vogue or successful for some years.

Genuine question, do you expect any of the 4 we've signed to be still with us in 3 or 4 years time?

I'm not being argumentative , I just disagree with the policy. You make some good, rational points and you may well be correct.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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I'd like to see a mix. Of course we need experience.

But we had an old 1st team squad before these 4 signings.

With regard to the youngsters, I didn't mention blocking progress, I suggested their sale. We now have 30 senior (over 21 in age) pros. Our only saleable assets are the ones I mentioned. Our only signings in the last 3 seasons which could be considered 'investments' have been McGuinness and Tanner.

As I said, I'll be cheering them on. But the days of a Sam Allardyce or Lawrie Mcmenemy building teams of experienced old pros hasn't been vogue or successful for some years.

Genuine question, do you expect any of the 4 we've signed to be still with us in 3 or 4 years time?

I'm not being argumentative , I just disagree with the policy. You make some good, rational points and you may well be correct.

Do I expect any of the players we have signed to be still with us in 3 or 4 years time?

No.

However, I'd give the same answer to that question even if we'd signed younger players for fees.
What's the average 'shelf-life' for players at any club these days... 3/4 years?

[AdrianAlston]

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Do I expect any of the players we have signed to be still with us in 3 or 4 years time?

No.

However, I'd give the same answer to that question even if we'd signed younger players for fees.
What's the average 'shelf-life' for players at any club these days... 3/4 years?

Depends on their age. Tanner and McGuinness will complete 3 and 4 respectively this season. Etete will complete 3. Ng will complete 4 at Christmas. They were all good 'investments'

I agree with you regarding the senior player signings. But that's my point, they are short term signings. We need a mix.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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I'd like to see a mix. Of course we need experience.

But we had an old 1st team squad before these 4 signings.

With regard to the youngsters, I didn't mention blocking progress, I suggested their sale. We now have 30 senior (over 21 in age) pros. Our only saleable assets are the ones I mentioned. Our only signings in the last 3 seasons which could be considered 'investments' have been McGuinness and Tanner.

As I said, I'll be cheering them on. But the days of a Sam Allardyce or Lawrie Mcmenemy building teams of experienced old pros hasn't been vogue or successful for some years.

Genuine question, do you expect any of the 4 we've signed to be still with us in 3 or 4 years time?

I'm not being argumentative , I just disagree with the policy. You make some good, rational points and you may well be correct.

I agree that the squad needs trimming and would hate to see the youngsters go, and probably our new signings won't be around for long (especially as one is a loan with an option and another a 1 year deal I believe). I just meant that if you're looking to strengthen your squad, which pretty much every club is, it might be better to avoid over-inflated asking prices and bidding wars.
If we are, as I think we must be, paying generous salaries that's a big turnaround from a couple of years ago when we supposedly had a tight wage cap. Loosening of the purse strings, or more evidence of the lack of a long term plan?

[the other bob wilson]

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I agree that the squad needs trimming and would hate to see the youngsters go, and probably our new signings won't be around for long (especially as one is a loan with an option and another a 1 year deal I believe). I just meant that if you're looking to strengthen your squad, which pretty much every club is, it might be better to avoid over-inflated asking prices and bidding wars.
If we are, as I think we must be, paying generous salaries that's a big turnaround from a couple of years ago when we supposedly had a tight wage cap. Loosening of the purse strings, or more evidence of the lack of a long term plan?

Morison oversaw the biggest influx of new players I can remember at the club two years ago, but it really was quantity over quality - I thin k there is every chance that, if you took the £1.5 million for Robinson out (ithat deal always seemed so at odds with out approach through the summer of 2022), I reckon we've spent more on four players this summer than we did on about fifteen in 2022.

[Rjk]

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Morison oversaw the biggest influx of new players I can remember at the club two years ago, but it really was quantity over quality - I thin k there is every chance that, if you took the £1.5 million for Robinson out (ithat deal always seemed so at odds with out approach through the summer of 2022), I reckon we've spent more on four players this summer than we did on about fifteen in 2022.

part of that was enforced though, as didn't we have like 13 players coming to the end of their generous Warnock contracts?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I'd like to see a mix. Of course we need experience.

But we had an old 1st team squad before these 4 signings.

With regard to the youngsters, I didn't mention blocking progress, I suggested their sale. We now have 30 senior (over 21 in age) pros. Our only saleable assets are the ones I mentioned. Our only signings in the last 3 seasons which could be considered 'investments' have been McGuinness and Tanner.

As I said, I'll be cheering them on. But the days of a Sam Allardyce or Lawrie Mcmenemy building teams of experienced old pros hasn't been vogue or successful for some years.

Genuine question, do you expect any of the 4 we've signed to be still with us in 3 or 4 years time?

I'm not being argumentative , I just disagree with the policy. You make some good, rational points and you may well be correct.

I think we are evolving in the strategy, some players are for the long term and we are filling the gaps with good quality frees and loans, so building slowly with team rebuilds year after year. It's a good point we need to build in more young quality long term players for the future.

[the other bob wilson]

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part of that was enforced though, as didn't we have like 13 players coming to the end of their generous Warnock contracts?

I think it was entirely enforced. What I'm saying is that Bulut is being backed in a way that no City manager has been since Neil Harris when he was allowed to sign Moore and bring Wilson in on loan - you've got to think as well that the midfielder we sign will cost a transfer feee as well.

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

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I think it was entirely enforced. What I'm saying is that Bulut is being backed in a way that no City manager has been since Neil Harris when he was allowed to sign Moore and bring Wilson in on loan - you've got to think as well that the midfielder we sign will cost a transfer feee as well.

Pressure on him to deliver.