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    What is it with Bulut, and playing his wingers inverted (ie. a left footed player on the right of the pitch, and vice versa). He did this all last season, to little effect, and now he's started off the new season, doing the same against Sunderland. So both Tanner and Willock were played out of position (to most sensible people) on the 'wrong' wide of the pitch. How many times did they beat their man, and get a cross in? Not many - in fact, I can't think of more than one example. In fact, watching Willock struggle repeatedly to get the ball on to his favoured foot was almost painful. Tanner was over the other side of the pitch from where I sit, so I couldn't witness his efforts up close, but the lack of crosses from him makes it clear that he had the same problem.

    The thing with inverted wingers is that they are very limited in what they can do. They either cut inside (where they immediately run into midfielders), or the go to the byline, and then have to cut back to cross, or lay the ball off. So not only do you not get the crosses coming in, but it is also very predictable, and defenders know how to deal with it. There's also the argument that there's no-one in the box to benefit from any crosses anyway, but that's another story.

    Towards the end of last season, there were one or two games when Tanner played left-back, and he produced a string of deep crosses into the box. We know he can do it. We also know he can beat a man and cross, but playing him (and Willock) on the 'wrong' side is just stifling his talents. There are already people mentioning his 'lack of effort' after just one game. Give the guy a break - he's being played out of position. It's time to drop this inverted wingers thing.

    Yes, I know Yakou Meite is left footed, and yes, he managed to produce some crosses from the right side when he came on. But it doesn't alter the fact that our first choice wingers are being played out of position.

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    Fair point but since we don't have a target in the box I'm not sure what wingers getting more crosses in would achieve.

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    • #3
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      Almost every side plays with inverted wingers. Wasn’t a problem for Sunderland, either

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      • #4
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        Originally posted by Pedro de la Rosa View Post
        Almost every side plays with inverted wingers. Wasn’t a problem for Sunderland, either
        Yes, long gone are the days of wingers staying out wide for the purpose of crossing into the box.

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        • #5
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          Reminder that the average age of this place is 62

          Almost every single team plays with inverted wingers, Sunderland did with absolutely no issue.

          Who do you want the crosses aimed at? 5’9” Robinson?

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          • #6
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            Originally posted by Llandaff Blue View Post
            Reminder that the average age of this place is 62

            Almost every single team plays with inverted wingers, Sunderland did with absolutely no issue.

            Who do you want the crosses aimed at? 5’9” Robinson?
            Yes, I agree - point taken. I just don't like to see a promising youngster wasted.

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            • #7
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              With inverted wingers they can either play in low or high balls with their weaker foot, often resulting in a poor ball in or more often than not they cut back onto their weaker foot to play a ball into traffic or a lofted cross (pretty much all of these were overhit yesterday).

              With regular wingers they can play in low or high balls with their stronger foot and it takes advantage of any pace or trickery they have.

              Bulut's set up, which I'm convinced he won't change, is making our players look worse than they are.

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              • #8
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                Some teams play with inverted wingers, and they also have their fullbacks over the halfway line for much of the game.

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                • #9
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                  Yes this is the key point. We looked decent before the Sunderland goal on the left with O’Dowda getting beyond Willock, but as the game went on it happened less and less.

                  On the right NG likes to cut in as well and is less adventurous in general so it never seems to work no matter who is on that side… I’d like to see a home game with Conte or Kpakio. Kpakio in particular looked very exciting getting forward in preseason.

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                  • #10
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                    You don't need to keep your wingers on the side of the pitch that they start.
                    In the Euros Yamal and Williams regularly swapped wings for Spain. Worked quite well for them.

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                    • #11
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                      Originally posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
                      You don't need to keep your wingers on the side of the pitch that they start.
                      In the Euros Yamal and Williams regularly swapped wings for Spain. Worked quite well for them.
                      Being two of the best young players on the planet helps…

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                      • #12
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                        Originally posted by J R Hartley View Post
                        Being two of the best young players on the planet helps…
                        Absolutely, but even when your wingers are nowhere near that good, mixing it up a bit surely helps.

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                        • #13
                          Re: INVERTED WINGERS

                          Originally posted by Undercoverinwurzelland View Post
                          You don't need to keep your wingers on the side of the pitch that they start.
                          In the Euros Yamal and Williams regularly swapped wings for Spain. Worked quite well for them.
                          I can never understand why teams don’t do this more often just to give the opposition something different to think about during the game.

                          Warnock used to do it occasionally I seem to remember….

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                          • #14
                            Re: INVERTED WINGERS

                            Originally posted by Llandaff Blue View Post
                            Reminder that the average age of this place is 62

                            Almost every single team plays with inverted wingers, Sunderland did with absolutely no issue.

                            Who do you want the crosses aimed at? 5’9” Robinson?
                            Maybe it’s my age (68), but I don’t get why an inverted winger is someone who plays on the “wrong” side, yet an inverted full back is someone who, generally, plays on the “right” side, but tends to operate further infield?

                            I’ll show my age and say that, for about 140 years, playing right footed wingers on the right and left footed ones on the left was accepted as the norm. Paul Parry often used to cut in from the left to get right footed shots away and it seems to me that this was quite unusual for the time, but it’s almost the norm now. I think it’s an experiment that hasn’t wholly worked, but, clearly, there are plenty in management who feel differently.

                            I, and many others, say they miss crosses pulled back from the bye line, but we’d probably be told that’s the job of full backs now, so I’ll accept that for now and say that the problem for City has been that in recent seasons, wingers, whether they be inverted or traditional ones, have not worked - they don’t cross enough and when they do, it’s invariably a poor one and their shooting when cutting in from their flank doesn’t pay dividends enough.

                            However, I don’t see how we use wingers as why we struggle so often at home like we did on Saturday is our main problem - for me, thats a midfield that is too one dimensional and one paced and, on Saturday, was too old.

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                            • #15
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                              Its called modern football ,at times its the same with full backs , there is a theory that once they cut inside they are on their strongest foot, most modern footballers develop two footed skills .

                              Wingers are not the issue

                              My reading of the game was our midfield was pedestrian , old legs , did not apply a dynamic approach going forward.

                              Plenty of crosses went in from the wingers the main problem no body got on the end .
                              Robinson was isolated .
                              Meitie looks a better nos 9
                              Tanner was ignored .
                              O'dowda was great .
                              Chambers & Wilcock looks promising .
                              Rambo looked weighty and slow .
                              Ralls simply passed the ball sideways or back .
                              Siopis worked hard dreadful final ball skills though .
                              Think our keeper is decent enough .
                              NG strangely quite ,perhaps he want away ?
                              New forward Kanga too early to judge ..

                              Early days ..

                              P.M.A everyone

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