Bizarre away win percentage stat

[Eric the Half a Bee]

13 of the top 17 managers ranked in terms of best away win percentages have been boss since 2000.

1 McCandless 46.7%
2 Harris 45.2%
3 McCarthy 42.1%
4 Lamouchi 40.0%
5 Lawrence 35.2%
6 Bulut 34.5%
7 Mackay 33.3%
8 D Jones 31.6%
9 Solskjaer 31.3%
10 Osman 31.3%
11 Cork 30.8%
12 Morison 30.4%
13 Warnock 30.4%
14 Burrows 28.8%
15 Hudson 28.6%
16 Ayre 27.3%
17 Slade 26.8%

Whereas, for home win percentages, only 6 managers since 2000 make the top 17, only 4 make the top 15

1 McCandless 79.3%
2 Cork 65.9%
3 Spiers 59.4%
4 Jennings 58.8%
5 Stewart 56.6%
6 Mackay 53.2%
7 D Jones 52.2%
8 May 51.6%
9 Warnock 50.7%
10 B Jones 50.0%
11 Morgan 50.0%
12 Scoular 48.6%
13 Andrews 48.6%
14 Swindin 48.6%
15 Ashurst 48.1%
16 Lawrence 47.7%
17 Slade 46.7%

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Moving from Ninian Park has had an impact, the fans are having less impact now they are moved away from the away fans, also spread around.

Ninian Park was intimidating for away teams.

[PontBlue]

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Interesting table.

What was Harris and Lamouchi's home percentage?

I wanted Lamouchi to get the gig permanently when we appointed Bulut.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Billy McCandless had an incredible managerial record. In his 1st season won Newport County promotion to the 2nd division before war broke out. 1946 took City up to the 2nd division at 1st attempt, and then left for Swansea and took them up in his 1st season too [1947].

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Interesting table.

What was Harris and Lamouchi's home percentage?

I wanted Lamouchi to get the gig permanently when we appointed Bulut.

Lamouchi - 25%
Harris - 32.3%

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Moving from Ninian Park has had an impact, the fans are having less impact now they are moved away from the away fans, also spread around.

Ninian Park was intimidating for away teams.

I think that's a load of nonsense. It didn't stop Malky, Warnock or Jones from having good home records with us. Our home record under Jones after we moved stadiums was better than at Ninian Park. I also don't buy into the idea that we need to be by the away fans to generate an atmosphere. We've had some great atmospheres at the CCS without that. What we don't have are the "characters" we seemed to attract by the bucketload back in the 80s and 90s.

The reason for our poor home form over several seasons has been the way we play at home. It arguably started under Neil Harris and has got worse. In those years we haven't really had a team or tactic of taking the game to the opposition at home.

[Harry Lime]

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Surprised at how poor we were away under Eddie May given that he would be remembered by most as a successful manager.

The recent home record could well be attributed to the CCS. Away fans are as likely to make as much noise as we do there.

I don't completely agree with the NP intimidating factor though. Yes, when the crowds were decent but for the vast majority of my first 20 years supporting the club, 6,000 was a good crowd. I'd say that the atmosphere was pretty muted during those days.

[splott parker]

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Moving from Ninian Park has had an impact, the fans are having less impact now they are moved away from the away fans, also spread around.

Ninian Park was intimidating for away teams.

Yeah, those dungeon days had the likes of Rochdale, Hartlepool, Darlington etc shitting themselves. Ninian Park was very rarely intimidating. If we’d have gone up under Dave Jones and spent a couple of Premiership seasons there it maybe would have been a bit of an advantage. Great atmospheres in my lifetime in the late 60s/early 70s for a few seasons, early and mid 60s not so clever. From then on great atmospheres were very few and far between. Rose tinted fans roll out the Allison’s Palace & Hereford league games & the Man City & Leeds cup ties because they were unique. The atmosphere at Ninian Park was invariably shite.

[Dave Blue]

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Moving from Ninian Park has had an impact, the fans are having less impact now they are moved away from the away fans, also spread around.

Ninian Park was intimidating for away teams.

Absolute rubbish

[Dave Blue]

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Yeah, those dungeon days had the likes of Rochdale, Hartlepool, Darlington etc shitting themselves. Ninian Park was very rarely intimidating. If we’d have gone up under Dave Jones and spent a couple of Premiership seasons there it maybe would have been a bit of an advantage. Great atmospheres in my lifetime in the late 60s/early 70s for a few seasons, early and mid 60s not so clever. From then on great atmospheres were very few and far between. Rose tinted fans roll out the Allison’s Palace & Hereford league games & the Man City & Leeds cup ties because they were unique. The atmosphere at Ninian Park was invariably shite.

Interesting. Probably the rose tinted brigade only turned up for those games you mentioned. Most of the time it was pick your own spot then walk down the other end at half time.

[WJ99mobile]

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Moving from Ninian Park has had an impact, the fans are having less impact now they are moved away from the away fans, also spread around.

Ninian Park was intimidating for away teams.

You’re talking rubbish.

[lardy]

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Moving from Ninian Park has had an impact, the fans are having less impact now they are moved away from the away fans, also spread around.

Ninian Park was intimidating for away teams.

I'm assuming you only went to Ninian Park about three times.

[the other bob wilson]

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13 of the top 17 managers ranked in terms of best away win percentages have been boss since 2000.

1 McCandless 46.7%
2 Harris 45.2%
3 McCarthy 42.1%
4 Lamouchi 40.0%
5 Lawrence 35.2%
6 Bulut 34.5%
7 Mackay 33.3%
8 D Jones 31.6%
9 Solskjaer 31.3%
10 Osman 31.3%
11 Cork 30.8%
12 Morison 30.4%
13 Warnock 30.4%
14 Burrows 28.8%
15 Hudson 28.6%
16 Ayre 27.3%
17 Slade 26.8%

Whereas, for home win percentages, only 6 managers since 2000 make the top 17, only 4 make the top 15

1 McCandless 79.3%
2 Cork 65.9%
3 Spiers 59.4%
4 Jennings 58.8%
5 Stewart 56.6%
6 Mackay 53.2%
7 D Jones 52.2%
8 May 51.6%
9 Warnock 50.7%
10 B Jones 50.0%
11 Morgan 50.0%
12 Scoular 48.6%
13 Andrews 48.6%
14 Swindin 48.6%
15 Ashurst 48.1%
16 Lawrence 47.7%
17 Slade 46.7%

One of the reasons I get so annoyed with our home form in recent seasons is that I remember a time when playing at home in football generally was far more of an advantage than it is now. Bringing it back to City, we struggled through virtually of the 70s, yet I wouldn’t be surprised if it was only in our relegation season (74/75) that we lost more home league games than we won.

A couple of random stats for you, City went over two years without an away league win during the early 70s, yet didn’t get relegated during this run - evidence that the Ninian Park crowd got much more used to seeing their team win than lose despite us struggling. I’m also pretty sure that Swansea had a season about 50 years ago where they finished mid table in Division Four despite having the best home record in the table, yet didn’t win away.

I’m pretty certain modern day results show away teams doing better than they used to, but City have become a really extreme example of this in recent years - remember how people , especially me, used to moan about the stuff we played when Russell Slade was manager? Well, in his second season with us, we only lost two home league games - we did the same in the 17/18 promotion season, but seasons like that are a real throwback now.

[J R Hartley]

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You’re talking rubbish.

That’s a given.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I think that's a load of nonsense. It didn't stop Malky, Warnock or Jones from having good home records with us. Our home record under Jones after we moved stadiums was better than at Ninian Park. I also don't buy into the idea that we need to be by the away fans to generate an atmosphere. We've had some great atmospheres at the CCS without that. What we don't have are the "characters" we seemed to attract by the bucketload back in the 80s and 90s.

The reason for our poor home form over several seasons has been the way we play at home. It arguably started under Neil Harris and has got worse. In those years we haven't really had a team or tactic of taking the game to the opposition at home.

Negative fans on the internet may be dragging the atmosphere down too, look at Starmer the UK economy is flat-lining because all he talks about is how crap things are.