Bizarre away win percentage stat

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Yeah, those dungeon days had the likes of Rochdale, Hartlepool, Darlington etc shitting themselves. Ninian Park was very rarely intimidating. If we’d have gone up under Dave Jones and spent a couple of Premiership seasons there it maybe would have been a bit of an advantage. Great atmospheres in my lifetime in the late 60s/early 70s for a few seasons, early and mid 60s not so clever. From then on great atmospheres were very few and far between. Rose tinted fans roll out the Allison’s Palace & Hereford league games & the Man City & Leeds cup ties because they were unique. The atmosphere at Ninian Park was invariably shite.

When we had decent teams, Ninain park was a much better atmosphere, we've had some good years at the CCS mostly because Tan's spent millions and we've won lots of promotions, when he doesn't like now it's like a grave yard and the fans are on our own players backs.

[splott parker]

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When we had decent teams, Ninain park was a much better atmosphere, we've had some good years at the CCS mostly because Tan's spent millions and we've won lots of promotions, when he doesn't like now it's like a grave yard and the fans are on our own players backs.

Decent teams? Ninian’s atmosphere was good when we played decent teams, times which were few and far between. As I mentioned the late 60s/early 70s (in my time going) was heyday of the old Grangetown End, absolutely bouncing regularly. European nights could be good but, again, only on occasions. The Esjberg, Mjondalen etc games were poorly attended as were many more ties, Hamburg, Real Madrid stand out because they were rarities. Even Sporting Lisbon & Moscow Torpedo were no great shakes.

People who bang on about the ‘great’ Ninian Park intimidating atmosphere may have witnessed it on the odd occasion they turned up for a big game, they’re fibbing if they claim they were there in a ‘great’ atmosphere against the likes of Torquay, Exeter, Mansfield etc, even after our return to the second tier the crowds were poor. It was an FA Cup Final appearance that prompted an upsurge.

Out of interest, I hope you don’t take offence NCB, how old are you?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Decent teams? Ninian’s atmosphere was good when we played decent teams, times which were few and far between. As I mentioned the late 60s/early 70s (in my time going) was heyday of the old Grangetown End, absolutely bouncing regularly. European nights could be good but, again, only on occasions. The Esjberg, Mjondalen etc games were poorly attended as were many more ties, Hamburg, Real Madrid stand out because they were rarities. Even Sporting Lisbon & Moscow Torpedo were no great shakes.

People who bang on about the ‘great’ Ninian Park intimidating atmosphere may have witnessed it on the odd occasion they turned up for a big game, they’re fibbing if they claim they were there in a ‘great’ atmosphere against the likes of Torquay, Exeter, Mansfield etc, even after our return to the second tier the crowds were poor. It was an FA Cup Final appearance that prompted an upsurge.

Out of interest, I hope you don’t take offence NCB, how old are you?

Late fifties- The point I was making was it wasn't always brilliant because we had poor teams, when Hammam got us going it was pretty good, Leeds one of the best.

CCS has had its moments but it's not the same and considering the relative success since we've been there and the maximum capacity it's fairly negative, but I realise that's my experience and it's subjective :thumbup:

I also realise that most things seemed better when we were all younger and that we often look back through rose-tinted glasses.

[lardy]

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I remember standing on the Bob Bank and clearly hearing instructions given by the bench.

Intimidating :hehe:

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I think that's a load of nonsense. It didn't stop Malky, Warnock or Jones from having good home records with us. Our home record under Jones after we moved stadiums was better than at Ninian Park. I also don't buy into the idea that we need to be by the away fans to generate an atmosphere. We've had some great atmospheres at the CCS without that. What we don't have are the "characters" we seemed to attract by the bucketload back in the 80s and 90s.

The reason for our poor home form over several seasons has been the way we play at home. It arguably started under Neil Harris and has got worse. In those years we haven't really had a team or tactic of taking the game to the opposition at home.

Why are these three 2,3,4 away
2 Harris 45.2%
3 McCarthy 42.1%
4 Lamouchi 40.0%
and not in the top 17 at home then?

The ground has an impact surely, it's a more negative and frustrated atmosphere for sure.

[Moodybluebird]

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One of the reasons I get so annoyed with our home form in recent seasons is that I remember a time when playing at home in football generally was far more of an advantage than it is now. Bringing it back to City, we struggled through virtually of the 70s, yet I wouldn’t be surprised if it was only in our relegation season (74/75) that we lost more home league games than we won.

A couple of random stats for you, City went over two years without an away league win during the early 70s, yet didn’t get relegated during this run - evidence that the Ninian Park crowd got much more used to seeing their team win than lose despite us struggling. I’m also pretty sure that Swansea had a season about 50 years ago where they finished mid table in Division Four despite having the best home record in the table, yet didn’t win away.

I’m pretty certain modern day results show away teams doing better than they used to, but City have become a really extreme example of this in recent years - remember how people , especially me, used to moan about the stuff we played when Russell Slade was manager? Well, in his second season with us, we only lost two home league games - we did the same in the 17/18 promotion season, but seasons like that are a real throwback now.

Away wins for the City in the late 60's and 70's were far more of a rarity than they have become over the last 10 years and probably even longer. They used to be things to treasure because they were so unexpected.

Home wins on the otherhand seemed to be far more prevalent than they are today, even for struggling teams. To lose as many as we have over the last few seasons was unheard of.

Improved tactical analysis has probably played a huge part in this turnaround. It has enabled managers to figure out a way to beat home teams, whereas in the past they would have settled for a draw. Also, 3 points for a win has I suspect made the managers of away sides far more adventurous than they used to be.

[the other bob wilson]

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Away wins for the City in the late 60's and 70's were far more of a rarity than they have become over the last 10 years and probably even longer. They used to be things to treasure because they were so unexpected.

Home wins on the otherhand seemed to be far more prevalent than they are today, even for struggling teams. To lose as many as we have over the last few seasons was unheard of.

Improved tactical analysis has probably played a huge part in this turnaround. It has enabled managers to figure out a way to beat home teams, whereas in the past they would have settled for a draw. Also, 3 points for a win has I suspect made the managers of away sides far more adventurous than they used to be.

Yes, I agree about three points for a win. Another thing that might have had an effect is that it was virtually unheard of for teams to fly to away games in the Football League - in fact, a memory from away games I went to in the 60s and 70s is of the City team travelling home in the same train as us, so you wonder as to whether they were in the sort of condition and frame of mind to perform to a decent level if they’d travelled by train on the morning of or afternoon before a match.

[splott parker]

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in fact, a memory from away games I went to in the 60s and 70s is of the City team travelling home in the same train as us,

Ah..Fond memories of Peter King’s trilby:hehe:

[Citizen's Nephew]

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When de-Bruyne in invented the 'player having a nap behind the wall' free kick thing we see today it was at the Manchester City game at CCS. The place was a sell-out. How many did we used to get for all the other rubbish FA and Carabao cup ties...and that's recently.

That night against Real Madrid and the B&W photos of 'packed like sardines' fans filling NP were the exception. Mr P's spot on. In fact, they should sell souvenir 125yr rose-coloured specs in the club shop.

NP was intimidating because of the hooligan element. It wasn't the football as far as I'm concerned.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Negative fans on the internet may be dragging the atmosphere down too, look at Starmer the UK economy is flat-lining because all he talks about is how crap things are.

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[Dave Blue]

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Negative fans on the internet may be dragging the atmosphere down too, look at Starmer the UK economy is flat-lining because all he talks about is how crap things are.

Starmer has not turned things crap by talking about the Tories and fans on the internet don’t turn the atmosphere flat, it’s not getting a shot in for the whole 45 minutes of every first half for a year that makes the atmosphere flat. When did we last score the first goal at home?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Starmer has not turned things crap by talking about the Tories and fans on the internet don’t turn the atmosphere flat, it’s not getting a shot in for the whole 45 minutes of every first half for a year that makes the atmosphere flat. When did we last score the first goal at home?

That last bit doesn't help I'll give you that :thumbup:

Odd as it is if Riza gets lucky and we score a flukey first we could suddenly look a lot better, this team doesn't know what it's like to be one nil up in a league game.

[NinianKnight]

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Starmer has not turned things crap by talking about the Tories and fans on the internet don’t turn the atmosphere flat, it’s not getting a shot in for the whole 45 minutes of every first half for a year that makes the atmosphere flat. When did we last score the first goal at home?

Starmer blames 'a £22billion blackhole' for the countries owes. Our problem is a blackhole which has swallowed 17 points and an ability to score.

[BLUETIT]

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Starmer blames 'a £22billion blackhole' for the countries owes. Our problem is a blackhole which has swallowed 17 points and an ability to score.

Shirley that should read “and a lack of an ability to score” :shrug: