Where do we go from here?

[Pedro de la Rosa]

Re: Where do we go from here?

The whole division is littered with poor quality and mismanaged sides.

A decent manager could get pretty much any championship club safe in this league.

We haven’t got a squad that was always destined for this level of points. It’s down to management and players playing far far below par.

Our players are shit. We absolutely do. I think a better manager will help, and would certainly have helped if we had a full preseason but this is a bad football team. There's no pace, there's no midfield, there's no goals and we are a complete disaster at the back.

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I think he's right, we're still actually only 4 points of safety (although I guess you could technically call that 5 with our abysmal GD)

I still think we'll stay up, as much as anything else there's absolutely zero belief in the team. We just need to scrape a win and I think things will pick up. Automatic is probably out of the question though

[NinianKnight]

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A decent manager would get us to safety by Feb

Last season Sheffield Wednesday looked doomed around this point. They were awful and I had them down as definate relegation fodder. When we played them early season I didn't see anything that would save them.

What happened to them in the back end of the season was amazing and they avoided relegation somehow.

So I agree after 7 games things don't look good but with the right appointment there is plenty of time to turn things around

[TheBirchgrovePub]

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This is the way I see it. While we've had lots of not-very-good managers since Tan took over, the buck stops there and with the board he has appointed. It's a club being run by people he trusts with money, not people he trusts to make the right footballing decisions. The result has been years of terrible transfers that have cost a fortune that has not been close to being recovered when players leave (usually on frees), a merry-go-round of managers with their own ideas and styles, being expected to work on bargain buys with no idea of what we want to achieve in terms of playing style, while there's a desire to get back to the money pot of the Premier League but no idea how to get there, other than get lucky with a good manager. Tan has wasted a lot of money on his own stupidity.

I think we all agree that this situation hasn't just happened overnight. Until Tan learns how to run a football club properly, we'll keep being plunged into these problems. What if we somehow stay up this season, what will Tan have learned? Nothing. We'll be back in the same situation next season, unless we get very lucky.

Let's be frank, here. We're set for season after season of struggle at the foot of the table, with dwindling crowds, the way the club is run. Tan will not learn from his previous mistakes and will think, every season, we can make the playoffs. Every season, we'll fail. When Warnock took over, we at least had a decent enough squad, albeit badly managed by Trollope, that had come close to the playoffs the season before. Our current situation is unrecognisable from that.

At the moment we could get relegated this season, or hope for someone to save us this season, then get relegated next season, or the season afterwards. Sorry if that sounds grim, but anyone thinking that "as long as we can survive this season, we can push on next season" needs help. Yes, someone might save us this season, but Tan won't learn and we'll be plunged back into disaster with another shit managerial appointment next summer and the whole thing goes again.

I see us having 2 options:

1) Tan sells up
2) Tan learns how to run the club properly

Otherwise it's back to League 1 and the Football League trophy (whatever it's called) eventually. From there is anyone's guess.

Great post

It still bewilders me that some people say he is a good owner

[Delbert]

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For as long as Tan acts like he thinks he’s a Director of Football the club will continue its decline.

[Vic Flange]

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Great post

It still bewilders me that some people say he is a good owner

The often used phrase is “he’s put a lot of money into the club” completely missing the point that he’s had no choice but to put a lot of money into the club precisely because it’s been run so badly.

[The Bloop]

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Is it down to the lake , I fear

Down to League 1, I fear.

[NinianKnight]

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Great post

It still bewilders me that some people say he is a good owner

That is an over statement. Some us realise that not everything Tan has done has been hapless. At the same time we also accept that there have been several decisions which frankly have fallen short.

It is not binary brilliant/useless it something in between.

If your point is Tan needs to improve on his weaknesses then I would estimate that nearly all the fanbase would agree with you including me

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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If your point is Tan needs to improve on his weaknesses then I would estimate that nearly all the fanbase would agree with you including me

The problem being that one of his biggest weaknesses, a refusal to get footballing people on board to help sort out the mess, will eventually cause us a massive problem.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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The problem being that one of his biggest weaknesses, a refusal to get footballing people on board to help sort out the mess, will eventually cause us a massive problem.

Is there not talk of advisers helping with the analytics and new Manager selection?

It's still far from ideal but it would be a step in the right direction if true, this next appointment could steady the ship and keep us up or send us down potentially to Oblivian, this is a massively important decision.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I’m at a loss having just watched that. No new manager bounce, defensively awful, 2 goals in 7 games, zero confidence, a fan base on the edge and an owner running the club into the ground with the assistance of his two yes men.

League 1 beckons but I’m not sure the rot will stop there.

Tan needs to appoint a decent Manager, due to the mess we are in it may need to be an experienced organiser of the Mowbray or Nathan Jones mold.

Start with the defence, you can't change the back four and keeper every week, that's an area that needs organisation and consistency.

Stop conceding and work from there, although it's not easy as Daland is injured and NG, Chambers and Collins are all over the shop.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Is there not talk of advisers helping with the analytics and new Manager selection?

It's still far from ideal but it would be a step in the right direction if true, this next appointment could steady the ship and keep us up or send us down potentially to Oblivian, this is a massively important decision.

Whenever I hear the word advisors from our board, I don't necessarily equate that to being the right sort of advisor. If the board can make cock up after cock up appointing managers and others, that doesn't mean I trust them to bring in the right advisors. Perhaps it's the painter again?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Whenever I hear the word advisors from our board, I don't necessarily equate that to being the right sort of advisor. If the board can make cock up after cock up appointing managers and others, that doesn't mean I trust them to bring in the right advisors. Perhaps it's the painter again?

Fair point, I do worry it's Warnock and someone like McKay, but hopefully not, and they are doing it right this time.

I guess we will find out in a few weeks or so!