England v Siopis

[LA Bluebird]

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An incredibly motivated Greece team, a group of England players who probably don’t give a toss about the Nations League plus an interim manager who lost his mind and didn’t change an obviously failing tactic for 70 minutes, don’t think there’s too much to read into it.

Siopis is a decent player in a team where he’s got more forward looking midfielders around him and he can focus on winning the ball back and offloading it quickly to more skilled players. I’d love to see him alongside Robertson and Colwill rather than Ralls and Wintle for a few games.

[SLUDGE FACTORY]

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I don't necessarily buy into that. The level of depth and talent they have - especially young talent - is incredible. I can't think of a team that regularly underachieves as heavily as England do.

As for Siopis, last night proved what I've long thought of him. A good player when the pace of the game is slower and less chaotic. But a duck out of water in the frenzied, physical intensity of a typical Championship game.

I think 🤔 you might have bought into it too ?

If you are exposed to it ....the Premier league and all the pundits and analysis ....then you will be swayed into thinking that , in your words , the depth of talent is incredible

But Spain, Germany , Italy etc all produce amazing players

I think it's great to see England get done by the likes of Greece personally

[Rjk]

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An incredibly motivated Greece team, a group of England players who probably don’t give a toss about the Nations League plus an interim manager who lost his mind and didn’t change an obviously failing tactic for 70 minutes, don’t think there’s too much to read into it.

Siopis is a decent player in a team where he’s got more forward looking midfielders around him and he can focus on winning the ball back and offloading it quickly to more skilled players. I’d love to see him alongside Robertson and Colwill rather than Ralls and Wintle for a few games.

Englands main problem was they tried to shoehorn Palmer, Foden and Bellingham into a lineup that made zero sense.
Man for man 0 Greece players get into the England squad, anywhere near it really.

England have always been too scared to drop top players if they don't fit into the team and it continually holds them back

[Rjk]

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What England need is a manager who has a really well defined football philosophy -knows how they want to play and will just pick the best players to fit into that way of playing, even if that means dropping Foden and Palmer or whoever else is the media darling of the day.

What I'm saying is England need Neil Warnock.

[The Bloop]

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The influx of foreign players into the Premier league has vastly reduced the number of decent home grown players playing at the top level.
There's far too much money attracting these players to these shores, much of it from Sky.
I'd love to see a discussion on Sky where someone questions whether they're part of the problem, but it won't happen.

[The Lone Gunman]

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The influx of foreign players into the Premier league has vastly reduced the number of decent home grown players playing at the top level.
There's far too much money attracting these players to these shores, much of it from Sky.
I'd love to see a discussion on Sky where someone questions whether they're part of the problem, but it won't happen.

But haven't England (and Wales for that matter) done a lot better in major tournaments in recent times than they did previously?

[Rjk]

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But haven't England (and Wales for that matter) done a lot better in major tournaments in recent times than they did previously?

Yes, at age group levels too.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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What England need is a manager who has a really well defined football philosophy -knows how they want to play and will just pick the best players to fit into that way of playing, even if that means dropping Foden and Palmer or whoever else is the media darling of the day.

What I'm saying is England need Neil Warnock.

Pep at the end of the season.

[Rjk]

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Pep at the end of the season.

Yes, he would be my second choice.

Or someone like Klopp, or Bielsa - someone who will play their way.

Of course the international managers get far less time with their teams than club managers do, so an intricate system like pep's, or aggressive press like Klopp might be harder to implement as well. That's why it should be a more simple tactical approach, if the FA get Sharon on board first I'm sure they can convince him.

[Moodybluebird]

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Englands main problem was they tried to shoehorn Palmer, Foden and Bellingham into a lineup that made zero sense.
Man for man 0 Greece players get into the England squad, anywhere near it really.

England have always been too scared to drop top players if they don't fit into the team and it continually holds them back

This nonsense of how many Greek, Slovenian or Danish players etc would get into the great England team is a concept I first heard put forward by Alan Shearer about 5 World Cups ago. Only he was referring to French and Italian players, the likes of Pirlo and Zidane ! It was ridiculous then and is ridiculous now. It's a team game, the best exponents of which adopt seamless patterns, without relying on individual brilliance. Yes, truly great players like Maradona or Messi have the ability to win games on their own but they are few and far between.

England have been turned over by too many 'lesser' teams over the last few years (Greece, Iceland, Hungary) to prove differently. And every team they came up against at the Euros will feel they could and probably should have beaten them. England are simply NOT a team.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Things are looking up, we've been massively underperforming, but we have some decent players we need a Manager who can see the full picture get the best out of them, and buy a decent Striker in January.

[delmbox]

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It's the premier league hype nonsense

These so called brilliant english players ......are not that brilliant

They reached the final of the last two Euro's, they're pretty good

[Moodybluebird]

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They reached the final of the last two Euro's, they're pretty good

Please explain in one sentence how such a god-awful team reached this years Euro final playing like they did. I'm still scratching my head.

[lardy]

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Please explain in one sentence how such a god-awful team reached this years Euro final playing like they did. I'm still scratching my head.

With good fortune, but also they came back from a goal down in every knock out game which suggests a strength of character. God knows I don't want to give them credit, but you don't make successive finals by being shit.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Please explain in one sentence how such a god-awful team reached this years Euro final playing like they did. I'm still scratching my head.

Well....

There's a statistic out there somewhere regarding England v major international teams in Euro & World Cup finals. I think it shows that in the last 30 years they have only beaten a 'top' team, ie one ranked as high as England or higher - just once.