England v Siopis

[lardy]

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The two main schools of thought seem to be that world class is either "would be in the world XI" or "is one of the best few players in his position".

I'd go with the latter. It doesn't seem right that there would only be one world class goalie in the world at any times for example

[Moodybluebird]

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The two main schools of thought seem to be that world class is either "would be in the world XI" or "is one of the best few players in his position".

I'd go with the latter. It doesn't seem right that there would only be one world class goalie in the world at any times for example

Yes I agree with your judgement that world class should mean the selective few best players each position.

As much as I detest everything about Jude Bellingham's attitude and demeanour, it cannot be argued that he shouldn't be in that category. Possibly Harry Kane too prior to his performances at the Euros. As for the rest, well they're good but not that good, certainly not world class.

So take Spain for instance. They have several world class players coupled with many very good players, a tried and trusted system of playing and the confidence that comes of regularly beating top teams. A recipe for success as they have proven and will probably continue to prove in future tournaments.

[The Lone Gunman]

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So take Spain for instance. They have several world class players....

Who do you consider as world class in the current Spain team?

[BLUEAWAY TOO]

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Giggs , Bale , Southall , Rush

Surely that depends on who else is available.
Bale or Cruyff
Rush or Messi
Etc

[Moodybluebird]

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Who do you consider as world class in the current Spain team?

Lamin Yamal, Nico Williams and Rodri definites. Based on their performances at the Euros, Fabian Ruiz and Dani Olmo are very close to world class and Dani Carvajal has always been a quality player of the highest order.

[Rjk]

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Lamin Yamal, Nico Williams and Rodri definites. Based on their performances at the Euros, Fabian Ruiz and Dani Olmo are very close to world class and Dani Carvajal has always been a quality player of the highest order.

I would say Rodri, maybe Williams

[The Lone Gunman]

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Lamin Yamal, Nico Williams and Rodri definites. Based on their performances at the Euros, Fabian Ruiz and Dani Olmo are very close to world class and Dani Carvajal has always been a quality player of the highest order.

Interesting…

[William Treseder]

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Lamin Yamal, Nico Williams and Rodri definites. Based on their performances at the Euros, Fabian Ruiz and Dani Olmo are very close to world class and Dani Carvajal has always been a quality player of the highest order.

I would say we are now entering the realms of absurdity. Of that Spanish squad that won the Euros, Rodri would be my only choice of a world class player.
Further up the thread, comparing Rush to Messi, is suggesting an all time World class squad,.
An interesting topic, but as in all things football, it’s just opinions.
For what it’s worth, in my all time squad, Messi wouldn’t get into it.

[lardy]

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I would say we are now entering the realms of absurdity. Of that Spanish squad that won the Euros, Rodri would be my only choice of a world class player.
Further up the thread, comparing Rush to Messi, is suggesting an all time World class squad,.
An interesting topic, but as in all things football, it’s just opinions.
For what it’s worth, in my all time squad, Messi wouldn’t get into it.

We're well into absurdity if Messi wouldn't even make your squad

[Father Dougal]

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Ive always struggled with world class. However the definition of getting into and improving pretty much any team in the world is pretty good.

Obviously its subjective re the final 11 (to take the definition literally you can only have 11 at any one time) but anyone who is seriously in that conversation is world class. Eg for wales bale and ramsey definitely in that conversation around 2016 time. No player now anywhere near close for wales.

[Moodybluebird]

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Ive always struggled with world class. However the definition of getting into and improving pretty much any team in the world is pretty good.

Obviously its subjective re the final 11 (to take the definition literally you can only have 11 at any one time) but anyone who is seriously in that conversation is world class. Eg for wales bale and ramsey definitely in that conversation around 2016 time. No player now anywhere near close for wales.

What ?!! Not even Wes Burns ?!!! Ridiculous lol

[the other bob wilson]

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Jn his prime he was one of the top 5 players in the world.

Top three for me. I’ve not seen another Welsh player who managed that, although I was too young to ever see John Charles at his best.

[Rjk]

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I prefer elite level than world class as a comparitor, as it's easier to define - i.e. someone who is capabpe of playing at the highest levels of the game - competing for top league titles, going deep into champions league etc

Either way Wales currently have zero

[Father Dougal]

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Lamin Yamal, Nico Williams and Rodri definites. Based on their performances at the Euros, Fabian Ruiz and Dani Olmo are very close to world class and Dani Carvajal has always been a quality player of the highest order.

Neco certainly did well to set up.the goals on friday and that goal line clearance was brilliant. However he isnt quite world class level yet imo.

[delmbox]

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I would say we are now entering the realms of absurdity. Of that Spanish squad that won the Euros, Rodri would be my only choice of a world class player.
Further up the thread, comparing Rush to Messi, is suggesting an all time World class squad,.
An interesting topic, but as in all things football, it’s just opinions.
For what it’s worth, in my all time squad, Messi wouldn’t get into it.

I'd love to see your all time squad if Messi isn't in it