Graduated driving licences

[Rjk]

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Chart 3 on the linked statistics tables suggest you are a little out, more like 85 before accident rates are at the level of under 24s.

https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-older-driver-factsheet-2020/reported-road-casualties-great-britain-older-drivers-factsheet-2020

I think the chart also makes it clear why there are concerns about the risks for under 24s (and such high insurance premiums), and hence these sort of proposals.

yeah 85 is really getting a bit old to be driving in the majority of cases.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Whatever your views regarding this topic this is quite an interesting read:

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a80782ded915d74e33fa9b6/young-car-drivers-2013-data.pdf

[JumpersforGoalposts]

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yeah 85 is really getting a bit old to be driving in the majority of cases.

I agree, but I have a neighbour who drives (very carefully) at 87!

[North Cardiff Blue]

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80+ year olds have more accidents than 17-24 year olds. Young women have fewer accidents than 76+. Perhaps we should clamp down on that?

It might be a good idea, it has so many holes in it, it is not policeable and impractical. You’d need caveats for everything, such as parents etc, people going to work, emergencies

It doesn't affect me so I'm not going to argue however, if such simple measures could have saved those four young men who drowned in a ditch in Wales then I think it's worth considering some measures, especially not allowing four teenagers to travel in a car with someone who might have scraped through a driving test the day before.

https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/inquest-updates-hearing-death-four-30153699

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I agree, but I have a neighbour who drives (very carefully) at 87!

I agree with some sort of testing for very elderly drivers, too. Some of them could also use some legislative protection for them and other road users.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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yeah 85 is really getting a bit old to be driving in the majority of cases.

Some very old drivers seem to slip down in their driving seat and are just able to peer over the dashboard whilst holding the steering wheel like a dwarf playing a piano. Having neck problems and not worrying about their days being curtailed by a short period they forgo head movements, drive headlong into traffic and create stress only in other road users whilst being totally oblivious to the mayhem they cause. I'm looking forward to it.

[19bluebirds27]

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Why don’t they just add another round of advanced learning after they pass. This includes driving at night, emerging on and off a motorway with more lanes than a dual carriageway, manoeuvring in tighter spaces and busier spaces - all the usual stuff they don’t teach on a provisional licence.

Rather than passing being under test conditions it can sit with an instructor who can asses this over a set time period before the so called graduation.

BTW I have been a qualified driving instructor in the past.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Why don’t they just add another round of advanced learning after they pass. This includes driving at night, emerging on and off a motorway with more lanes than a dual carriageway, manoeuvring in tighter spaces and busier spaces - all the usual stuff they don’t teach on a provisional licence.

Rather than passing being under test conditions it can sit with an instructor who can asses this over a set time period before the so called graduation.

BTW I have been a qualified driving instructor in the past.

Yes that would be good but the main problem is young men and some girls show off to their friends how fast they can drive and what great skilled drivers they are and sometimes kill themselves and passengers, maybe six months where they make the odd more sensible speed accident or near miss they can learn from it and avoid the fatal crash.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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It doesn't affect me so I'm not going to argue however, if such simple measures could have saved those four young men

I'm playing devil's advocate here, but weren't you against a simple measure like 20mph limits saving lives?

[splott parker]

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I'm playing devil's advocate here, but weren't you against a simple measure like 20mph limits saving lives?

Aw c’mon that was a few months ago, he’s a bit older now and a step nearer his maker.:hehe:

[The Bloop]

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Some very old drivers seem to slip down in their driving seat and are just able to peer over the dashboard whilst holding the steering wheel like a dwarf playing a piano. Having neck problems and not worrying about their days being curtailed by a short period they forgo head movements, drive headlong into traffic and create stress only in other road users whilst being totally oblivious to the mayhem they cause. I'm looking forward to it.

My wifes elderly uncle who was driving well into his 80s used to rely on his wife to check behind when changing lanes or pulling out. Reverse parking was also entertaining- he definitely used the car's bumpers for their original intended purpose 😀
Being able to declare yourself safe to drive past the age of 70 is ridiculous, as the story today about the death of that 3 year old in Scotland demonstrates.

[19bluebirds27]

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Yes that would be good but the main problem is young men and some girls show off to their friends how fast they can drive and what great skilled drivers they are and sometimes kill themselves and passengers, maybe six months where they make the odd more sensible speed accident or near miss they can learn from it and avoid the fatal crash.

Yes it’s an absolute buzz when they pass. However phasing them onto the road the without instruction might dampen down that initial enthusiasm.

Businesses with large fleet costs can elect to have a driving instructor take its drivers out on assessment drives.
Results and behaviours are fed back to management for a whole host of reasons including risk, reward and ultimately premiums.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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I'm playing devil's advocate here, but weren't you against a simple measure like 20mph limits saving lives?

Yes, however, I don't believe it was brought in to save lives or that it does, it's just nonsense and is ignored mostly now thank God and people overtake them now.

This is a serious proposal and I think it would save some young lives, but as I say it won't affect me so I won't argue either way.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Aw c’mon that was a few months ago, he’s a bit older now and a step nearer his maker.:hehe:

:hehe: not that near though it's you oldies we also have to worry about https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx252v6l60lo

Woman, 91, who killed toddler should not have been driving - inquiry

[North Cardiff Blue]

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My wifes elderly uncle who was driving well into his 80s used to rely on his wife to check behind when changing lanes or pulling out. Reverse parking was also entertaining- he definitely used the car's bumpers for their original intended purpose ��
Being able to declare yourself safe to drive past the age of 70 is ridiculous, as the story today about the death of that 3 year old in Scotland demonstrates.

Yes tragic Woman, 91, who killed toddler should not have been driving - inquiry

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cx252v6l60lo

How many people have undiagnosed dementia and carry on driving?

They need measures for both ends of the age scale.