Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

[LA Bluebird]

Re: Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

I think if we say that our ambition is to become a Brentford, Brighton or Fulham - teams relatively settled in the Prem, playing some good football and with functioning youth and scouting departments neither scenario is great. There's nobody swooping in to save us from League 1 locally with that kind of money I don't think, and we've seen again and again Tan isn't willing to put the structure in place for it to happen under the current regime. As much as we'd all like to romanticize a local owner and getting our club back, the honest answer is that in today's football it probably requires a team of rich Americans or Arabs stepping in if we really have that ambition.

The nuclear question is what happens if League 1 happens (as it seems to get closer every year) under Tan, he decides he's totally lost interest and wants to get all the money he's invested back when the club is worth a fraction of that. In that case League 1 might be the least of our worries.

[insider]

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With this idiot and his 2 cronies at the helm I'd say it's not a scenario it's just when will it happen.

[splott parker]

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What happens when 72 year old Vincent Tan passes away? He’s got many more years behind him than in front of him. Will his heirs look favourably on Cardiff City? Or will the club be wound up not being able to pay the debt to the estate? Doubt his family will be willing to fund us.

[blue matt]

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Most local non-league games were off around me yesterday, so I decided to go and watch Swindon, now Clem the owner that promised so much yet has failed in it all ( Ive met Clem and its hardly surprising, he comes across as a chancer ) so the vibe around is rather negative and the supporters trust is demanding he sells up ( once again, to who is another matter )

they are also fighting relegation out of the FL, a decent game, met a few I knew from coaching workshops, Ollie was happy with the 3 points hope they stay up

doesnt really matter what league you are in, as long as you have a team, a little hope that you will go up / stay up / have some light at the end of the tunnel

my best days watching city were in the Old League 3, in the early 90's the Eddie may promotion season as special

[D. Advocaat]

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[QUOTE=Divine Wright;5557826]So.


- The club is taken over by a bunch of comparatively rich but sensible locals who are also supporters or at least have a minimal understanding of the culture of CCFC.

These people don't exist. And is there such a thing as 'the culture of CCFC? The club is, and always has been, a basket case.

[Father Dougal]

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[QUOTE=D. Advocaat;5557906]

So.


- The club is taken over by a bunch of comparatively rich but sensible locals who are also supporters or at least have a minimal understanding of the culture of CCFC.

These people don't exist. And is there such a thing as 'the culture of CCFC? The club is, and always has been, a basket case.

I wonder when it hasn't been?

My only nomination from last 40 years is maybe that first season under malky. We seemed fairly sensible then.

Not stupid wages. No mad rush to go up. A hard working team probably over performing. New owners who seemed sensible. Club maybe punching above our weight. Cup final v Liverpool an all time highlight for all of those reasons.

Playing in a new stadium many of us thought would never be built. Debt worries seemed over.

Not all the football was amazing but off the pitch we seemed fairly stable? Compared to what came before and what was to come after anyway.

Not sure what happened after that season mind...........

[Stanmore Bluebird]

Re: Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

[QUOTE=D. Advocaat;5557906]

So.


- The club is taken over by a bunch of comparatively rich but sensible locals who are also supporters or at least have a minimal understanding of the culture of CCFC.

These people don't exist. And is there such a thing as 'the culture of CCFC? The club is, and always has been, a basket case.

One incredibly wealthy local born man is 70 year old Michael Moritz who now lives in the US. Have tried to reach him via email to ask if he would be interested in buying out the current hierarchy; no response so far but I may not have found his correct email address from the internet.

Anyone here who knows how to contact him (or people close to him) to see if he would be interested? Wikipedia state he is worth USD $6 billion.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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[QUOTE=Father Dougal;5557907]

I wonder when it hasn't been?

My only nomination from last 40 years is maybe that first season under malky. We seemed fairly sensible then.

Not stupid wages. No mad rush to go up. A hard working team probably over performing. New owners who seemed sensible. Club maybe punching above our weight. Cup final v Liverpool an all time highlight for all of those reasons.

Playing in a new stadium many of us thought would never be built. Debt worries seemed over.

Not all the football was amazing but off the pitch we seemed fairly stable? Compared to what came before and what was to come after anyway.

Not sure what happened after that season mind...........

I know exactly what happened after that season. One thing that has ended up defining our short sightedness ever since.

When Malky was appointed, the club had a 3 year plan to reach the Premier League. We overachieved in that first season under him and so the club decided to shorten that plan by a year and expected promotion the following season. This was accompanied by money to spend and red shirts.

Ever since then we've never heard of the club having any medium term plans, let alone long term. Each season we've been in the Championship the board or owner have talked of reaching the playoffs and promotion, regardless of how delusional they sound.

In short, we have a clueless bunch trying to run our club that wastes money as a result of their total ineptitude and unwillingness to learn. Given all that has been spent, to be fighting off relegation yet again can only be considered total, complete and utter failure on their part.

[Father Dougal]

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[QUOTE=Stanmore Bluebird;5557908]

One incredibly wealthy local born man is 70 year old Michael Moritz who now lives in the US. Have tried to reach him via email to ask if he would be interested in buying out the current hierarchy; no response so far but I may not have found his correct email address from the internet.

Anyone here who knows how to contact him (or people close to him) to see if he would be interested? Wikipedia state he is worth USD $6 billion.

Can't believe he didn't reply!

[D. Advocaat]

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[QUOTE=Father Dougal;5557911]

Can't believe he didn't reply!

Must have gone to his spam email!

I suspect that, like most people in and from Cardiff and S. Wales, he isn't remotely interested in Cardiff City Football Club.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

[QUOTE=Stanmore Bluebird;5557908]

One incredibly wealthy local born man is 70 year old Michael Moritz who now lives in the US. Have tried to reach him via email to ask if he would be interested in buying out the current hierarchy; no response so far but I may not have found his correct email address from the internet.

Anyone here who knows how to contact him (or people close to him) to see if he would be interested? Wikipedia state he is worth USD $6 billion.

Just PM him on here. Moritz is his American moniker but his real surname is Morris. This board is one of his tax havens.

[Father Dougal]

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[QUOTE=Eric the Half a Bee;5557916]

Just PM him on here. Moritz is his American moniker but his real surname is Morris. This board is one of his tax havens.

Yeah they almost cottoned on to him with the government grants and tax breaks he was getting for the Welsh language message board but he was smart to it.

Hiding in plain sight- cover blown.

[Divine Wright]

Re: Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

I get that the likelihood of that happening is pretty remote.

But there is a world in which relegation is a reality. I guess Tan would have to change things if that happened. Not even he would continue flogging the Mehemt-Choo horse , would he ?? Maybe he would be tempted to cut his losses at that point.

I think the most unrealistic part is finding someone local who'd be able to buy the club out. Even a consortium. Then again, I think the club has quite a lot going for it in terms of infrastructure , fan base , logistic etc. There are clubs out there which are a complete mess, yet are quite attractive in the eyes of potential investors. Everton comes to mind ..... they are a totally basket case but people see the investment as worth the risk. Our club would provide something similar in terms of potential , but would at that point probably cost a fair bit less than a club like Everton.

I think I'd probably take the original scenario even without the local owners anyhow. Even if they were just sensible..... it doesn't really worry me that they are local....... it just does give you pause for thought after seeing how clueless and out of touch this Malaysian fella is.

And whilst some people might point out that clubs like Oldham and Notts County have struggled to get back to the top , I feel, have faith that we probably have more potential than Charlton and would also point to teams like Sunderland, Leeds, Man City, Ptsmouth who have been down there and made good of that situation. I'd like to think we are more similar to these sides in terms of reputation than a club like Charlton.

[Crisp White Lines]

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And whilst some people might point out that clubs like Oldham and Notts County have struggled to get back to the top , I feel, have faith that we probably have more potential than Charlton and would also point to teams like Sunderland, Leeds, Man City, Ptsmouth who have been down there and made good of that situation. I'd like to think we are more similar to these sides in terms of reputation than a club like Charlton.

Cardiff City is experiencing the sort of insidious decline that you see in businesses/clubs that really struggle to survive.

It's the sort that raises an eyebrow and then a shrug of the shoulders. Repeatedly. Year after year.

Yes, most people will simply carry on attending games and not get upset by "all that boardroom stuff", whereas others want to grab the club by the shoulders and scream at it to "WAKE UP!!!"

We certainly can turn into a Charlton. When Oldham were in the top flight, their fans would never have envisaged their current situation - it possibly took that final drop out of the league for some people to acknowledge how bad it was.

Yes, I look at clubs like Torquay, Scunthorpe, Darlington, Hereford... and think we could never fall that far. But I look at other clubs with real heritage struggling below Cardiff right now, and I'm not so confident about a swift bounce-back.