Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

Bolton were in the Premier League for eleven consecutive seasons and are having difficulties getting back to the Championship.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

Re: Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

Yes and get the Riddler to run it, bring back the old days with winding up orders and unpaid tax, sell players at the wrong time to stop going into administration yes great

Though it has to be said he has more knowledge of football in his little finger nail than our owner and entire board have if you quadrupled it.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Bolton were in the Premier League for eleven consecutive seasons and are having difficulties getting back to the Championship.

Yes, but since the mid 60s, that stint in the top flight was out of the ordinary for Bolton. They've been a bit of a yo-yo side between the 2nd and 3rd tiers and even been in the bottom tier twice. Prior to 1964, they'd only spent 7 seasons out of the top division, but it's been a very different story since.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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Yes, but since the mid 60s, that stint in the top flight was out of the ordinary for Bolton. They've been a bit of a yo-yo side between the 2nd and 3rd tiers and even been in the bottom tier twice. Prior to 1964, they'd only spent 7 seasons out of the top division, but it's been a very different story since.

Eleven seasons represents more than a blip though.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Eleven seasons represents more than a blip though.

I didn't say it was a blip, I said it was out of the ordinary. 11 seasons in 60 years is hardly a regular thing, either.

Truth is that, since the mid 60s, their league record is far more similar, albeit not quite as good, to clubs like Charlton and Watford.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I didn't say it was a blip, I said it was out of the ordinary. 11 seasons in 60 years is hardly a regular thing, either.

Truth is that, since the mid 60s, their league record is far more similar, albeit not quite as good, to clubs like Charlton and Watford.

Well relegation is unlikely to be a good thing whatever

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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This isn't a reply to any message in particular, but a general question - what would be so bad about relegation?

Crowds are unlikely to go down if we're challenging towards the playoffs, they might even improve. We might see some winning football instead of years of crap results and struggling at the foot of the Championship. Does anyone really prefer being beaten regularly in the Championship? Is playing the likes of West Brom and Norwich so much better than the likes of Barnsley and Wrexham?

Of course the opposite argument is that we could then struggle in League 1, but if that's what is finally due for us, there's nothing we can do about it. We're one of the longest serving sides in the top two divisions that hasn't dropped down to League 1 in the last 20 years. I read lots about how relegation would be a disaster, but now how that would be the case.

[fugsyphil]

Re: Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

This isn't a reply to any message in particular, but a general question - what would be so bad about relegation?

Crowds are unlikely to go down if we're challenging towards the playoffs, they might even improve. We might see some winning football instead of years of crap results and struggling at the foot of the Championship. Does anyone really prefer being beaten regularly in the Championship? Is playing the likes of West Brom and Norwich so much better than the likes of Barnsley and Wrexham?

Of course the opposite argument is that we could then struggle in League 1, but if that's what is finally due for us, there's nothing we can do about it. We're one of the longest serving sides in the top two divisions that hasn't dropped down to League 1 in the last 20 years. I read lots about how relegation would be a disaster, but now how that would be the case.

The loss in tv money alone makes wanting to get relegated the most ridiculous concept I've read in this crackpot forum

[jon1959]

Re: Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

This isn't a reply to any message in particular, but a general question - what would be so bad about relegation?

Crowds are unlikely to go down if we're challenging towards the playoffs, they might even improve. We might see some winning football instead of years of crap results and struggling at the foot of the Championship. Does anyone really prefer being beaten regularly in the Championship? Is playing the likes of West Brom and Norwich so much better than the likes of Barnsley and Wrexham?

Of course the opposite argument is that we could then struggle in League 1, but if that's what is finally due for us, there's nothing we can do about it. We're one of the longest serving sides in the top two divisions that hasn't dropped down to League 1 in the last 20 years. I read lots about how relegation would be a disaster, but now how that would be the case.

I may be wrong but surely a drop to League One means a drop in club income, which will mean jobs lost at the club and some of the good things the club does (like the Foundation) being cut back, or cut altogether?

Maybe the match day crowds won't be affected too much (although I expect they will drop) and maybe a squad re-set will be helpful and give Academy graduates more playing time (provided the club has built relegation clauses into contracts of the first teamers who are still with us) but I tend towards the 'disaster' end of the spectrum of possible outcomes. One big reason for that is because relegation will do nothing to change the structural weaknesses of the club (especially at board level) and has the potential to damage some of the main strengths.

[Moodybluebird]

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The loss in tv money alone makes wanting to get relegated the most ridiculous concept I've read in this crackpot forum

Totally agree with you, such a ridiculous idea.

Generally when a team is relegated, most if not all of their talented players are sold to balance the books and you are left with the 'dregs', making it doubly difficult to bounce back quickly. I can't believe that anyone would be naive enough to embrace the concept of relegation.

[Don Corleone]

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Also agree, totally ridiculous idea - and if you think tonight’s crowd will be low, what do you think it would be on a cold midweek night against the likes of Northampton and Stevenage

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Re: Hypothetical Relegation Scenario .

If the tables didn't change for the rest of the season (which of course they will), our opponents next season would be:

Plymouth
Hull
Bolton
Barnsley
Lincoln
Mansfield
Exeter
Charlton
Blackpool
Stevenage
Peterborough
Orient
Northampton
Bristol Rovers
Wigan
Rotherham
Walsall
Port Vale
Doncaster

3 from:
Birmingham
Huddersfield
Stockport
Reading

1 from:
Crewe
Grimsby
Wimbledon
MK Dons

That seems pretty grim to me.

[Divine Wright]

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Fair amount saying that relegation is bad. Relegation per se is obviously not a good thing. I agree.

I'm just saying that I'm not entirely sure that scraping by with a bunch of idiots running the club for the next however-many seasons is better.

If we remain in this division , I'm confident that nothing will change in terms of the way the club is run and that FOR ME is even more grim than playing Northampton in from of 7 thousand people. That is how much I can't stand Tan, Mehmet and (maybe to a lesser degree) Choo.

If you flipped the scenario and said " How would you feel if we stayed in the division this season but next season Tan had a brain transplant, sacked Mehmet and hired a person with the qualifications and experience necessary to run a championship football club." then I'd say yes. But I think this scenario is even more remote than us going down , him selling up, and us getting a sensible owner for once......which is also remote.....but at this point, it looks like the better bet.

Personally, I would say that it's crackpot, if not a little bit desperate to want another 5 seasons of reckless buffoonery in terms of club management and the resulting shit show that we'll see on the pitch. That is just as masochistic as "wanting" relegation in my eyes .