Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

Sorry, meant Burnley and Luton combined.

Agenda the wrong word maybe but feels like cherry picking a few stats to suit an opinion.

Not sure how anyone can watch games and feel Ramsey is a problem with the alternatives...

Thing is, Ramsey can't play two games in a week, which has meant Riza has had to chop and change the line-up to accommodate him, and I reckon he's done so more because of who Aaron Ramsey is rather than what he has been bringing to the team, but I appreciate that's an opinion others wouldn't agree with.

Leaving aside the injury issues, I just don't think he's very effective at this level at the age of 34. A player of his age needs to be really fit to still make a mark in this division, and with the best will in the world Ramsey isn't and hasn't.

Anyway, it's just an opinion. We haven't achieved a single victory when Ramsey's played this season (apart from a cup game that was eventually won on penalties), so things are unlikely to get any worse now he's out. Whether they'll get any better is another matter.

[Tuerto]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

It may be beneficial due to the fact that he’s head & shoulders above the rest of the abysmal lot. Without him at least the team will be on the same ‘football brain’ level. You could place Messi alongside any 10 of our squad and he’d look completely out of touch. I know they were a lot younger, although Ramsey was recovering from a serious injury, but the few games they played together him & Bellamy complemented each other due to their different ability to the others.

It’s horses for courses, Ramsey is Ascot, the others are Ely Racecourse.

Ramsey is finished, and we can polish it up if we want, but he's done. Of course he has a better football brain then the rest of them, that's a given, everyone knows that, but he has to contribute, not get a free pass because of previous exploits or just because he came through our system. He offers very little now, is on a tidy screw (Good luck to him) but he just isn't up to it anymore. There comes a time for all players.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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What's with the increasing use of ellipsis on this board...

[splott parker]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

Ramsey is finished, and we can polish it up if we want, but he's done. Of course he has a better football brain then the rest of them, that's a given, everyone knows that, but he has to contribute, not get a free pass because of previous exploits or just because he came through our system. He offers very little now, is on a tidy screw (Good luck to him) but he just isn't up to it anymore. There comes a time for all players.

Yes, he’s done, but my point is that in the games that he’s featured is the lack of ability in the players around him has been to his detriment. The times he’s appeared has really emphasised how poor our squad is. Maybe if he’d have been surrounded by even just 4 or 5 players of decent Championship standard his contribution may have been more fruitful, unfortunately he’s been amongst a pile of shite.

[TheBirchgrovePub]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

Thing is, Ramsey can't play two games in a week, which has meant Riza has had to chop and change the line-up to accommodate him, and I reckon he's done so more because of who Aaron Ramsey is rather than what he has been bringing to the team, but I appreciate that's an opinion others wouldn't agree with.

Leaving aside the injury issues, I just don't think he's very effective at this level at the age of 34. A player of his age needs to be really fit to still make a mark in this division, and with the best will in the world Ramsey isn't and hasn't.

Anyway, it's just an opinion. We haven't achieved a single victory when Ramsey's played this season (apart from a cup game that was eventually won on penalties), so things are unlikely to get any worse now he's out. Whether they'll get any better is another matter.

I don't think Riza needs much reason to chop and change a line up tbh. I still think Ramsey half fit is a better option than most of our midfielders but I feel like we've seen the end of his career now anyway which is a shame

[LA Bluebird]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

It doesn’t but the few times he’s played, he’s found space without over exerting himself, received the ball from a usually harassed team mate, but invariably has to hang on to it a touch too long due to the lack of intelligent movement by others. Over the last few games he’s made himself available, not by sprinting into space. He just finds room calmly while the others plod around seemingly sticking like glue to their opponents.

As I stated, his absence may be beneficial due to the ‘wavelength’ differences.

It's funny because everything you say here applies for me to Colwill, not to turn this thread into another religious war. Obviously Rambo has earned the benefit of the doubt in his career as he's hit heights that Colwill hasn't and never will, but I do wonder why one gets destroyed for not single handedly changing games while often playing out of position under this manager, and the others inability to change a game get excused away as having crappy teammates.

I do agree with the original premise by the way. He's done, he's not a consistently impactful player even at this level (for whatever reason) and I hope he retires rather than try to play through injury another season. I'd love for him to find a place in the coaching staff under an experienced manager, as unlikely as that might be with the idiots we have running our team.

[splott parker]

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It's funny because everything you say here applies for me to Colwill, not to turn this thread into another religious war. Obviously Rambo has earned the benefit of the doubt in his career as he's hit heights that Colwill hasn't and never will, but I do wonder why one gets destroyed for not single handedly changing games while often playing out of position under this manager, and the others inability to change a game get excused away as having crappy teammates.

I do agree with the original premise by the way. He's done, he's not a consistently impactful player even at this level (for whatever reason) and I hope he retires rather than try to play through injury another season. I'd love for him to find a place in the coaching staff under an experienced manager, as unlikely as that might be with the idiots we have running our team.

Colwill is a talent, yes, but whereas Ramsey hasn’t, I don’t recall, been one for the meandering dribbles, it’s a bit of a Colwill trademark. Perhaps he feels he has to do this and not play the killer ball due to the lack of awareness in his team mates. It’s a bit of a dilemma finding Colwill’s best position, it was a bit ridiculous playing him in the role that was asked of him against Luton. His lack of pace was cruelly exposed on times and his lack of aerial ability was found wanting again. When he, unfortunately, found himself in a defensive situation on that one occasion, he shied away, resulting in a Luton goal.

Colwill, whilst, one of our better players has no chance of matching Ramsey’s career but could shine a lot more in more accomplished company. I just wish we had a coach that could pinpoint a defining role and work on that.

[Tuerto]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

Yes, he’s done, but my point is that in the games that he’s featured is the lack of ability in the players around him has been to his detriment. The times he’s appeared has really emphasised how poor our squad is. Maybe if he’d have been surrounded by even just 4 or 5 players of decent Championship standard his contribution may have been more fruitful, unfortunately he’s been amongst a pile of shite.

Agreed, but i don't think that having better player around him would stop him getting injured, muscle tears specifically, which finish player off of a certain vintage because they can't recover from them, they're horrendous injuries to sustain after 30.

[splott parker]

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Agreed, but i don't think that having better player around him would stop him getting injured, muscle tears specifically, which finish player off of a certain vintage because they can't recover from them, they're horrendous injuries to sustain after 30.

Yep as I said, he’s done, unfortunately.

[Tuerto]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

Colwill is a talent, yes, but whereas Ramsey hasn’t, I don’t recall, been one for the meandering dribbles, it’s a bit of a Colwill trademark. Perhaps he feels he has to do this and not play the killer ball due to the lack of awareness in his team mates. It’s a bit of a dilemma finding Colwill’s best position, it was a bit ridiculous playing him in the role that was asked of him against Luton. His lack of pace was cruelly exposed on times and his lack of aerial ability was found wanting again. When he, unfortunately, found himself in a defensive situation on that one occasion, he shied away, resulting in a Luton goal.

Colwill, whilst, one of our better players has no chance of matching Ramsey’s career but could shine a lot more in more accomplished company. I just wish we had a coach that could pinpoint a defining role and work on that.

We've had about 7, and none of them know what to do with him. I'm out of this one though :thumbup:

[Father Dougal]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

We've had about 7, and none of them know what to do with him. I'm out of this one though :thumbup:

At least bellamy has made a definitive call with him for wales. Ie he's ignoring him and decided he's not for him. He has given absolutely everyone else a go but not colwill. Players definitely less talented than him are being used.

Fair play to bellamy though. You are right the city managers haven't known what to do with him but they've done colwill no favours by bringing him back all the time. Would have been Kinder to colwill to back him or move him on.

We can't ignore how bad our previous 7 managers have been though. All terrible appointments and none done anything since leaving us. Be fascinating to see what a real manager made of him. I suspect they wouldn't play him to be honest.

[splott parker]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

We've had about 7, and none of them know what to do with him. I'm out of this one though :thumbup:

Yep, it’s a dilemma that a few have tried to solve, also there’s the fact that although seemingly being admired by others as well, no other club has taken a punt on him.

Oh and I’m out of the Colwill debate as well, everybody is well intentioned and has their view but it just goes around in circles.

[delmbox]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

We've had about 7, and none of them know what to do with him. I'm out of this one though :thumbup:

because if you had your way Colwill would be CLEANING THE TOILETS you MONSTER

[MOZZER2]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

I’d say we played our best football this season with David Turnbull in our midfield and he’s going to be back soon apparently - it’ll be asking a lot for him to turn things around, but I’d say he’s been more influential for us than Ramsey in the few games they’ve both managed to play.

yes agree regarding Turnbull

as this board appears to be obsessed with stats these days some one posted some interesting ones on X regarding first team squad

Points we've gained when a player starts a match and the average points we've gained when a player starts during 24/25. No cup ties included.

Top 3 players this season

Cian Ashford = 10 starts , 15 points , Average 1.50
Turnbull = 8 starts , 12 points , Average 1.50
Tanner - 14 starts , 19 poinys , Average 1.35

i won't put up the stats for Kanga :hehe:

[llan bluebird]

Re: Could Ramsey's absence be beneficial?

After leaving us and a brief spell at Forest, has Rambo ever played for a non-top-quartile team that expects to win most of its games playing a possession-based game?

As the star signing and a local hero we have gone all out on the possession game, even though, even by championship standards, we don't have the talent for it. Its painful watching some of our players and manager trying it. Ramsey played well for Wales with far better players but it bottomed him.

You can see the class on the ball, but there are so many players we only judge by goals and assists and use it as a stick to beat hem. It's about wins, i don't believe the manager has a clue how to get them with or without Rambo.