Derby County tonight!

[City123]

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Less than ideal

[splott parker]

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Ched Evans on for Preston, 36 year old Ched Evans, they’re going for it:facepalm:

[Father Dougal]

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Wonder if derby quality has improved or if its down to their manager?

I know lots here think we just don't have the players to be mid table but I wonder how derby would be doing with riza as their manager.

For me apart from the top 2 or 3 this season the rest is just about management and coaching. The players and squads are all the same.

Hence why Coventry were just outside relegation at Xmas now they are going up with a new manager. Same players.

[City123]

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Got to be a penalty for Preston there?

Ah well

[insider]

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All Eustace has asked Derby to do tonight is get the ball in the box and it's worked.
Riza on the other hand has us playing 4 different systems with 16 different players every game.

[Father Dougal]

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All Eustace has asked Derby to do tonight is get the ball in the box and it's worked.
Riza on the other hand has us playing 4 different systems with 16 different players every game.

Absolutely. Really winds me up people saying riza just doesn't have the players to work with. Bullshit.

I'm not saying they are good. Not at all. Just much of a muchness with derby Preston qpr milwall etc...... I just can't accept they all have much better players than us.

[Splott-light...]

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it's not defeatist to prepare for relegation, it's sensible, albeit not a certainty it's becoming increasingly likely..

[Father Dougal]

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Absolutely. Really winds me up people saying riza just doesn't have the players to work with. Bullshit.

I'm not saying they are good. Not at all. Just much of a muchness with derby Preston qpr milwall etc...... I just can't accept they all have much better players than us.

Like when we got relegated from the Premier league both times our lack of quality was embarrassing. It wouldn't have mattered who our manager was either time. No other teams would have wanted any of our players even our best ones.

This relegation though isn't about a lack of player quality.

[Grangenders]

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I’m not sure why people are stressing over Derby, they won’t be in the bottom eight let alone the bottom three. John Eustace wouldn’t have gone there if he thought for one moment they were at risk of going down.

[Former Labour leader]

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Saw most of first half. Derby are awful, as bad as us.
Guess what they've got is a decent experienced manager.
Riza is taking us down.

[Bobby Dandruff]

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Wonder if derby quality has improved or if its down to their manager?

I know lots here think we just don't have the players to be mid table but I wonder how derby would be doing with riza as their manager.

For me apart from the top 2 or 3 this season the rest is just about management and coaching. The players and squads are all the same.

Hence why Coventry were just outside relegation at Xmas now they are going up with a new manager. Same players.

Quite. This is all on the manager and the people who appointed him.

The players are definitely good enough.

Which makes it all the more annoying especially when you consider how dreadful most of the teams are in this league.

[the other bob wilson]

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Quite. This is all on the manager and the people who appointed him.

The players are definitely good enough.

Which makes it all the more annoying especially when you consider how dreadful most of the teams are in this league.

Can you list the things which make these players “definitely good enough” please? I’ll help you on your way by saying that since we lost to Sheffield United just before Christmas, we’ve only failed to score in one league game, at Leeds. That.s impressive and should be the base on which an escape from the relegation zone could be based, but two clean sheets in league games since the only time we kept the opposition out in an away league games, West Brom in late October, renders that ability to score in nearly all of our matches next to useless.

I’ve always believed that you can base how good or bad a squad is on the number of 1-0 wins they get. Even the most fluent and attractive teams have a share of matches where they don’t play well, but a sound defence can help them to a win in such games via a scruffy goal. Our well dodgy defence has meant that the 1-0 win is virtually out of the equation for us - there’s been just two of them, Millwall and Hull, all season.

A team with a record like that cannot be “definitely good enough” to stay up in my opinion - this is a record which cries out relegation and just blaming a current bottom three placing on the manager and the people who appointed him is akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

However, I now await your list of things which make this squad “definitely good enough” - perhaps you’ll be able to change my mind on the subject?

[DJ-Q]

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Can you list the things which make these players “definitely good enough” please? I’ll help you on your way by saying that since we lost to Sheffield United just before Christmas, we’ve only failed to score in one league game, at Leeds. That.s impressive and should be the base on which an escape from the relegation zone could be based, but two clean sheets in league games since the only time we kept the opposition out in an away league games, West Brom in late October, renders that ability to score in nearly all of our matches next to useless.

I’ve always believed that you can base how good or bad a squad is on the number of 1-0 wins they get. Even the most fluent and attractive teams have a share of matches where they don’t play well, but a sound defence can help them to a win in such games via a scruffy goal. Our well dodgy defence has meant that the 1-0 win is virtually out of the equation for us - there’s been just two of them, Millwall and Hull, all season.

A team with a record like that cannot be “definitely good enough” to stay up in my opinion - this is a record which cries out relegation and just blaming a current bottom three placing on the manager and the people who appointed him is akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

However, I now await your list of things which make this squad “definitely good enough” - perhaps you’ll be able to change my mind on the subject?

I think a settled back four team selection and stronger defensive/set piece coaching would help to improve any defence - surely these 2 points are on the manager and people who appointed him?

[Bobby Dandruff]

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Can you list the things which make these players “definitely good enough” please? I’ll help you on your way by saying that since we lost to Sheffield United just before Christmas, we’ve only failed to score in one league game, at Leeds. That.s impressive and should be the base on which an escape from the relegation zone could be based, but two clean sheets in league games since the only time we kept the opposition out in an away league games, West Brom in late October, renders that ability to score in nearly all of our matches next to useless.

I’ve always believed that you can base how good or bad a squad is on the number of 1-0 wins they get. Even the most fluent and attractive teams have a share of matches where they don’t play well, but a sound defence can help them to a win in such games via a scruffy goal. Our well dodgy defence has meant that the 1-0 win is virtually out of the equation for us - there’s been just two of them, Millwall and Hull, all season.

A team with a record like that cannot be “definitely good enough” to stay up in my opinion - this is a record which cries out relegation and just blaming a current bottom three placing on the manager and the people who appointed him is akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

However, I now await your list of things which make this squad “definitely good enough” - perhaps you’ll be able to change my mind on the subject?

Ok, well firstly this team (or a similar one at least) was good enough to finish mid table last year.

Secondly they were good enough to go on a mini run of decent results as soon as Bulut left.

Thirdly, so many Championship teams that I have seen this year are absolutely terrible, with worse players than ours.

And fourthly, we have got rid of the real rubbish (see Kanga for Salech etc). Whereas we still have some passenger (I’ll leave that to you to decide who) we have a starting XI easily capable of mid table.

Whereas the players aren’t world beaters there are enough players who are good enough for mid table but the manager isn’t and directionless leadership is responsible for not maximising the potential of the players.

The players of course are culpable too but I think that ignoring the fact that we have a very inexperienced manager who has regularly made poor in game decisions that most people can spot straight away is akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

There you go.

[Bobby Dandruff]

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Ok, well firstly this team (or a similar one at least) was good enough to finish mid table last year.

Secondly they were good enough to go on a mini run of decent results as soon as Bulut left.

Thirdly, so many Championship teams that I have seen this year are absolutely terrible, with worse players than ours.

And fourthly, we have got rid of the real rubbish (see Kanga for Salech etc). Whereas we still have some passenger (I’ll leave that to you to decide who) we have a starting XI easily capable of mid table.

Whereas the players aren’t world beaters there are enough players who are good enough for mid table but the manager isn’t and directionless leadership is responsible for not maximising the potential of the players.

The players of course are culpable too but I think that ignoring the fact that we have a very inexperienced manager who has regularly made poor in game decisions that most people can spot straight away is akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

There you go.

Sorry one last point: whereas I have no axe to grind with Riza personally as he seems like a decent chap, I suspect that nearly every fan would agree that if we had appointed a more experienced or proven manager when Bulut left, then we would not be in this mess.

See Eustace at Derby and Rowett at Oxford. We’d likely be clear of trouble.