Derby County tonight!

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Finally some sense while lots seem to be losing theirs.

One little point about the bit highlighted.

Over the last 4 seasons only 4 sides have conceded more goals than us across all 4 divisions, that have played all 4 seasons in the league (so any sides in non-league not included). Last season we had the worst defensive record in this division for decades despite keeping 12 clean sheets. In 34 games where we did concede, we let in 70. That was an appalling record, which needed urgent improvement, so we sold our best centre back (McGuinness).

However, one messageboard regular reckoned Warnock would have them keeping clean sheets in 2 weeks

In his prime, Neil Warnock would have transformed defenders like Fish, Bagan, Darland, or Goutis into a more cohesive unit. He would likely have deployed traditional full-backs in defence and utilised wingers in their natural positions. If we had a Warnock from five or six years ago, our safety in the league would be assured by now. However, some might then complain about the direct style of play, preferring a more possession-based approach, even if it leads to losses, huge goals against and relegation.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Judge a Manager over a season not ignore the good part and only look at the bad part, 12th is in the top half and the 22nd is in the relegation zone.

I said it's better to keep Bulut, because I didn't trust the morons running the club to pick another YTS apprentice and I was correct to be worried.

You wanted your man, Omer, look where that got us

All but relegated with a much better squad :facepalm:

Riza isn't my man, stop inventing shit as usual.

However, it is unquestionable that he's done a better job than the guy you wanted here for 2 years.

Might I suggest going on Mastermind - specialist subject: Talking shite.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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In his prime, Neil Warnock would have transformed defenders like Fish, Bagan, Darland, or Goutis into a more cohesive unit. He would likely have deployed traditional full-backs in defence and utilised wingers in their natural positions. If we had a Warnock from five or six years ago, our safety in the league would be assured by now. However, some might then complain about the direct style of play, preferring a more possession-based approach, even if it leads to losses, huge goals against and relegation.

So you're backtracking from your claim he'd do it in 2 weeks?

[North Cardiff Blue]

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If we judge Riza on what he's done this season we would be 16th.

how much better than that is our squad?

Loads better, you've taken out the toughest run of games in the season, Sunderland, Burnley away, Swansea away, Boro, Derby away, Leeds, we'd still have been 22nd if he had those games.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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So you're backtracking from your claim he'd do it in 2 weeks?

I reckon he would yes, he did it with most teams he took over around that time you said.

The point is he would have improved us very quickly and got us out of this mess like he did when he came here last time and got promoted the following season.

Your man Riza is more likely to get us relegated two years in a row.

If you think Riza compares favourably with a Warnock in his prime, you should stick to knitting and stop wasting people's time on here that want to discuss football and our relegation fight.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Ok, well firstly this team (or a similar one at least) was good enough to finish mid table last year.

Secondly they were good enough to go on a mini run of decent results as soon as Bulut left.

Thirdly, so many Championship teams that I have seen this year are absolutely terrible, with worse players than ours.

And fourthly, we have got rid of the real rubbish (see Kanga for Salech etc). Whereas we still have some passenger (I’ll leave that to you to decide who) we have a starting XI easily capable of mid table.

Whereas the players aren’t world beaters there are enough players who are good enough for mid table but the manager isn’t and directionless leadership is responsible for not maximising the potential of the players.

The players of course are culpable too but I think that ignoring the fact that we have a very inexperienced manager who has regularly made poor in game decisions that most people can spot straight away is akin to an ostrich sticking its head in the sand.

There you go.

Spot on nailed it!

[Rjk]

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In his prime, Neil Warnock would have transformed defenders like Fish, Bagan, Darland, or Goutis into a more cohesive unit. He would likely have deployed traditional full-backs in defence and utilised wingers in their natural positions. If we had a Warnock from five or six years ago, our safety in the league would be assured by now. However, some might then complain about the direct style of play, preferring a more possession-based approach, even if it leads to losses, huge goals against and relegation.

If you only look back at what Warnock did in his first 18 months or so with us then of course that would be great - nobody would be complaining about the style of football, because it was great to watch - especially at the start of the promotion season.
If you were guaranteed that then there wouldn't be a manager in the division who wouldn't want him.

However that is ignoring everything else that happened.

He filled our squad with ageing players on inflated salaries that weren't good enough.
We completely wasted the parachute payments we had on dross.

I wou;dn't want him anywhere near the side again.

[Rjk]

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Loads better, you've taken out the toughest run of games in the season, Sunderland, Burnley away, Swansea away, Boro, Derby away, Leeds, we'd still have been 22nd if he had those games.

How many points would we need from those games to make a big difference though? we only got 1 and we looked completely abject under Bulut - have people forgotten how toothless we were?

If we had that run of games coming up I would be expecting more than 1 point from them.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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1. You're using your opinion as if you're qioting facts and so I'll do the same and say that last season was a freak in which the stats show us as consistently one of the weakest squads in the division - albeit a weak squad which was able to keep clean sheets, unlike this one.

2. Every side in the Championship goes on a mini run of good results at some time in the season - we've had two decent runs of results followed by the inevitable fall from grace because you cannot expect to have any concerted success when you only keep two clean sheets in twenty seven games.

3. That's your opinion about how poor other teams are. Mine is that we were lucky to beat Millwall, Norwich and Hull while I struggle to think of many we haven't won that we might have - maybe Stoke and Watford.

4. How can we have possibly have a starting eleven "easily capable of mid table?' when we can only keep two clean sheets every twenty seven games? These players aren't as good as you think they are.

In my opinion, Riza made a really big mistake in his third game in charge (Bristol City) and the worst thing about that is there's been few signs that he learned from it. As I mentioned we've had two decent to good spells this season, but, having started so poorly, they've both been followed by bad spells where the same old mistakes are repeated. Riza has made mistakes, but he's not been helped by a squad that keeps on repeating the sort of defensive mistakes I don't believe you can blame managers or coaches for when they keep on happening so regularly (always assuming the coaching staff have tried to sort things out on the training ground).

Having watched us defend for eight months now, it cannot be denied that we're hopeless at it. I also look at this team's character and they wilt too easily, they don't strike me as having the street wise credentials that are needed in this division and they are weak when it comes to basics like set pieces - I think most managers currently in this division would not be able to keep our current squad out of the bottom six.

This season's team surpasses last year's in quality but suffers from mismanagement. The issues originate from an inexperienced manager who prioritises attacking play and ball movement. While an attacking approach is commendable, establishing a solid defence is crucial as a foundation.

Relegation isn't always due to the weakest squads; often, it's the result of managers failing to maximise their players' potential.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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I reckon he would yes, he did it with most teams he took over around that time you said.

The point is he would have improved us very quickly and got us out of this mess like he did when he came here last time and got promoted the following season.

Your man Riza is more likely to get us relegated two years in a row.

If you think Riza compares favourably with a Warnock in his prime, you should stick to knitting and stop wasting people's time on here that want to discuss football and our relegation fight.

Are you intentionally being a shit? Riza is not my man, let's get that straight. Stop suggesting it and stop acting like a prick.

I also said that Warnock rarely achieved that. Try reading what I write instead of making up things and claiming I've said them.

[Eric the Half a Bee]

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Loads better, you've taken out the toughest run of games in the season, Sunderland, Burnley away, Swansea away, Boro, Derby away, Leeds, we'd still have been 22nd if he had those games.

You don't know that, nobody does.

Once again, please stop claiming things as facts when you don't have a clue.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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If you only look back at what Warnock did in his first 18 months or so with us then of course that would be great - nobody would be complaining about the style of football, because it was great to watch - especially at the start of the promotion season.
If you were guaranteed that then there wouldn't be a manager in the division who wouldn't want him.

However that is ignoring everything else that happened.

He filled our squad with ageing players on inflated salaries that weren't good enough.
We completely wasted the parachute payments we had on dross.

I wou;dn't want him anywhere near the side again.

We needed someone like him to ensure our safety. I mentioned him as an example because there were numerous experienced managers available, yet we appointed a coach instead. It's like letting one of the Youth Training Scheme trainees drive the team bus to away games. They might get us there, but there's a higher chance they'd end up in the River Severn trying to cross the bridge.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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How many points would we need from those games to make a big difference though? we only got 1 and we looked completely abject under Bulut - have people forgotten how toothless we were?

If we had that run of games coming up I would be expecting more than 1 point from them.

Fair enough, I think one point for Riza would be about right, although he does have Salech and Davies instead of Kanga

[North Cardiff Blue]

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You don't know that, nobody does.

Once again, please stop claiming things as facts when you don't have a clue.

I don't think Riza would have done any better, based on his record since, we can't fecking beat Luton even with Alves, Salech and Davies.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Are you intentionally being a shit? Riza is not my man, let's get that straight. Stop suggesting it and stop acting like a prick.

I also said that Warnock rarely achieved that. Try reading what I write instead of making up things and claiming I've said them.

You've backed Riza all season, don't drop him now he's struggling, your man Riza needs your backing more than at any time now.