Cardiff Rugby

[Canton Kev]

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None of those are major cities and half of Cardiff City FCs support isn’t even from Cardiff!

Is Sunderland a major city in your eyes? The football team gets ~35k but that’s pretty much it as far as sports goes. There’s no major rugby, cricket, basketball or ice hockey teams in the city.

Surely Sunderland should be considered a worse “[B]sports[B\] supporting city” when their next best supported sport measures their crowds in the tens or low hundreds.

[J R Hartley]

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Is Sunderland a major city in your eyes? The football team gets ~35k but that’s pretty much it as far as sports goes. There’s no major rugby, cricket, basketball or ice hockey teams in the city.

Surely Sunderland should be considered a worse “[B]sports[B\] supporting city” when their next best supported sport measures their crowds in the tens or low hundreds.

Their football team dwarf Cardiff football, rugby and ice hockey put together.

By the way, Welsh Fire / Glamorgan represent a country / county, that is not a Cardiff sports team.

Next you’ll be arguing for the crowds at Wales Egg, which is mainly made up of women from the valleys.

[Canton Kev]

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Their football team dwarf Cardiff football, rugby and ice hockey put together.

By the way, Welsh Fire / Glamorgan represent a country / county, that is not a Cardiff sports team.

Next you’ll be arguing for the crowds at Wales Egg, which is mainly made up of women from the valleys.

You said sports, plural. Sunderland has one singular well supported team.

On Jan 1st both Cardiff Rugby and Cardiff City played at home at 3pm. The rugby had a crowd of 12,100 and the football was 19,100.

On the 25th both teams again played on the same day. The rugby had 11,700 and the football 19,500.

So 31k+ on both occasions excluding the Devils. Pretty comparable to Sunderland after all it seems.

[poc]

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Their football team dwarf Cardiff football, rugby and ice hockey put together.

By the way, Welsh Fire / Glamorgan represent a country / county, that is not a Cardiff sports team.

Next you’ll be arguing for the crowds at Wales Egg, which is mainly made up of women from the valleys.

welsh fire does not represent a country they are a combination of glamorgan, gloucester and somerset

[splott parker]

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You said sports, plural. Sunderland has one singular well supported team.

On Jan 1st both Cardiff Rugby and Cardiff City played at home at 3pm. The rugby had a crowd of 12,100 and the football was 19,100.

On the 25th both teams again played on the same day. The rugby had 11,700 and the football 19,500.

So 31k+ on both occasions excluding the Devils. Pretty comparable to Sunderland after all it seems.

Going off the ‘attendances’ thing, I often wonder had rugby not been the sport in this area that had been foisted on us from a young age, very different from the majority of English towns & cities, how many top rugby players would have made it as top footballers. I’m thinking of some of the outstanding half backs, centres, wingers that Wales have produced, not so much now but, over the years. Our pool of sporting youth is quite small given our population and to be split between the two sports dilutes it even more.
Similar size countries such as Uruguay, Croatia have shone on the world football stage due to the football, football, football mantra bred into them from toddlers. I’d imagine. I s’pose rugby aficionados could say the same vice-versa but that doesn’t concern me.

[jon1959]

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Similar size countries such as Uruguay, Croatia have shone on the world football stage due to the football, football, football mantra bred into them from toddlers. I’d imagine. I s’pose rugby aficionados could say the same vice-versa but that doesn’t concern me.

That is true of Croatia but not sure about Uruguay.

Rugby is a major sport in Uruguay and they have been quite successful in recent decades.

Wales population: 3,107,500. Registered Rugby Union players: 79,800.

Uruguay population: 3,388,000. Registered Rugby Union players: 37,463.

[J R Hartley]

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welsh fire does not represent a country they are a combination of glamorgan, gloucester and somerset

Either way, they are not a Cardiff sports team.

[splott parker]

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That is true of Croatia but not sure about Uruguay.

Rugby is a major sport in Uruguay and they have been quite successful in recent decades.

Wales population: 3,107,500. Registered Rugby Union players: 79,800.

Uruguay population: 3,388,000. Registered Rugby Union players: 37,463.

But is rugby the sport that’s, more or less, religiously preached in their schools or is it a sport that failed footballers pick up later in life?

[J R Hartley]

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You said sports, plural. Sunderland has one singular well supported team.

On Jan 1st both Cardiff Rugby and Cardiff City played at home at 3pm. The rugby had a crowd of 12,100 and the football was 19,100.

On the 25th both teams again played on the same day. The rugby had 11,700 and the football 19,500.

So 31k+ on both occasions excluding the Devils. Pretty comparable to Sunderland after all it seems.

Not comparable in the slightest.

Go off the average attendances, not cherry pick when they had a good weekend of attendances over the festive season, and taken into account the size of the city's its not even close.

Also, as you keep avoiding the point, I will repeat it again - Half of Cardiff City FCs support is not even from the City so make sure you divide Cardiff City FCs average attendance in half when you perform another round of mental gymnastics to try and support your opinion.

[JamesWales]

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Rugby definitely has a presence in Uruguay. They have a professional team in the Super Rugby Americas league, which is for South American teams. I don't think the team -Penerol rugby (tied to the massive football team of the same name)- ever get more than s few thousand though.

You can see on their main sports paper website, rugby is the third tab but it's way way behind football.

https://www.elpais.com.uy/ovacion

They do play entertaining stuff mind and beat Fiji in the 2019 world cup!

[JamesWales]

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Not comparable in the slightest.

Go off the average attendances, not cherry pick when they had a good weekend of attendances over the festive season, and taken into account the size of the city's its not even close.

Also, as you keep avoiding the point, I will repeat it again - Half of Cardiff City FCs support is not even from the City so make sure you divide Cardiff City FCs average attendance in half when you perform another round of mental gymnastics to try and support your opinion.

Cardiff Rugby's average crowds since Covid as follows:

24/25: 8,456
23/24: 9,243
22/23: 7,267
21/22: 7,819

I think a different league, more success, more consistent kick off times and even better prices (can be nearly £30 for a match day ticket on the open north terrace if purchased on the day) would see higher crowds though. I don't think Cardiff is a particularly rugby-mad city but I think we are more so than the crowd figures suggest.

Welsh clubs are now seriously behind rivals in Ireland, France, England, Japan, NZ, SA and Aus. Scotland and Italy have caught up. Even some American teams get crowds better than the Ospreys and Dragons

[J R Hartley]

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Cardiff Rugby's average crowds since Covid as follows:

24/25: 8,456
23/24: 9,243
22/23: 7,267
21/22: 7,819

I think a different league, more success, more consistent kick off times and even better prices (can be nearly £30 for a match day ticket on the open north terrace if purchased on the day) would see higher crowds though. I don't think Cardiff is s particularly rugby-mad city but I think we are more so than the crowd figures suggest.

Welsh clubs are now seriously behind rivals in Ireland, France, England, Japan, NZ, SA and Aus. Even some American teams get crowds better than the Ospreys and Dragons

They also play less than half the amount of home games that football do. Shit crowds for a supposedly rugby mad country that has only 3 teams you can support in top flight rugby.

[JamesWales]

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They also play less than half the amount of home games that football do. Shit crowds for a supposedly rugby mad country that has only 3 teams you can support in top flight rugby.

Yeah that's true. In terms of total attendance over the course of a season, the difference between City and Cardiff Rugby is even starker.

There are four teams in the 'top flight' mind..Cardiff, Ospreys, Dragons and Scarlets.

[City123]

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They also play less than half the amount of home games that football do. Shit crowds for a supposedly rugby mad country that has only 3 teams you can support in top flight rugby.

They also benefit from a prime location with Arms Park

[splott parker]

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They also benefit from a prime location with Arms Park

They hated the 50 mile hike to the CCS when they relocated there