The Transfer Rumour Thread

[The Lone Gunman]

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Based on stats Rubin Colwill made the most appearances of any Cardiff player this season , he was 3rd top goal scorer and top for assists

If you include cup games against Championship reserve sides and League One outfits, he was indeed.

However, if you look at his Championship stats alone, you'll see that he started 24 league games - the same number as Andy Rinomhota - and he scored fewer goals than Calum Chambers, Anwar El Ghazi, Yakou Meite and Chris Willock.

It's generally accepted that Alex Roberston had a disappointing first season with the club. Nevertheless, despite being a year younger than Rubin Colwill, Robertson started five more Championship matches and scored three goals compared to Colwill's one. Indeed, Robertson scored more Championship goals this season than Colwill has managed in the last three seasons combined.

[Rock_Flock_of_Five]

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If you include cup games against Championship reserve sides and League One outfits, he was indeed.

However, if you look at his Championship stats alone, you'll see that he started 24 league games - the same number as Andy Rinomhota - and he scored fewer goals than Calum Chambers, Anwar El Ghazi, Yakou Meite and Chris Willock.

It's generally accepted that Alex Roberston had a disappointing first season with the club. Nevertheless, despite being a year younger than Rubin Colwill, Robertson started five more Championship matches and scored three goals compared to Colwill's one. Indeed, Robertson scored more Championship goals this season than Colwill has managed in the last three seasons combined.

That last sentence is a shocking statistic, but not at all surprising.

[splott parker]

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:hehe:

Based on that logic, Colwill was also anonymous / mediocre / poor / pitiful (delete as applicable, and don't forget superb) in games against better sides than us.

This is how daft the Colwill discussion has become.

It’s more of a ‘coaching/management’ discussion than a Colwill discussion perhaps. We can name numerous players who’ve bettered themselves after shedding the Cardiff City shackles. Under decent coaching staff, whether with us, if we actually get an appointment right, or elsewhere, Colwill can, I reckon, achieve consistency and a position in a XI that would suit him…….. don’t ask me what position, my coaching experience would only qualify me for one club…us.

[City123]

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Lawlor has played one league game, Honestly, some of you on here are Barmy.

I agree with your point, but a lot of youngsters are poached before they even play an u21 game these days

[City123]

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Bear in mind, we have Joel too. Taking both Rubin's youth and his poor performance this season into account, I'd say 4/5 million is probably going to eb the price range. He's a difficult player to value, but it's clear his season has been poor. So I don't really know, there are definitely players I would keep above Rubin.

I don't understand the Joel Colwill hype, he's done even less than Rubin

[billy.ronson]

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It’s more of a ‘coaching/management’ discussion than a Colwill discussion perhaps. We can name numerous players who’ve bettered themselves after shedding the Cardiff City shackles. Under decent coaching staff, whether with us, if we actually get an appointment right, or elsewhere, Colwill can, I reckon, achieve consistency and a position in a XI that would suit him…….. don’t ask me what position, my coaching experience would only qualify me for one club…us.

Well he will most probably need to get used to robust challenges if he is to be a regular in League 1 but as you say the biggest question is what is his position and whether the right manager can unlock his potential.

[BLUETIT]

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Well he will most probably need to get used to robust challenges if he is to be a regular in League 1 but as you say the biggest question is what is his position and whether the right manager can unlock his potential.

Has he stopped growing yet :hehe:

[Tuerto]

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I agree with your point, but a lot of youngsters are poached before they even play an u21 game these days

Yeah, I know, but you know what I mean. How much football have people on here watched and written about over many years, yet plenty of them just don't seem to understand that young players may look really promising initially, then just not develop. Their development spurt happened between 14 and 19, it happens loads, in most cases actually, yet we still see utter nonsense like Mozzer has stayed. Leave the kid alone, let him develop and mature. Give him encouragement and compliments, but hyping young players doesn't help in my opinion, and we see it constantly. Look at poor Reindorf, god knows how he must be feeling after his experience at Bristol Rovers.

[Rjk]

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Well he will most probably need to get used to robust challenges if he is to be a regular in League 1 but as you say the biggest question is what is his position and whether the right manager can unlock his potential.

I don't think he struggles with robust challenges these days - at the start of the season when he was playing well he was also using his size and strength in one on ones with defenders in a way he hadn't as much previously.

I think the main problem he had towards the end of the season was decision making. He was trying to force something too much when there was nothing on, rather than being more patient. Which probably makes him easier to defend against.

The trouble is most of our players are the opposite, they'll take the patient option when something could have been on.

If he stays though I think he could have a very good season in league one

[blue matt]

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Club looking at Arkell Jude-Boyd RB at Cheltenham, been on the radar since January by all accounts

Still think we missed a trick with Jordan Thomas, Great in NLS, decent in L2, scored 9 this season, not bad for a winger

[City123]

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Yeah, I know, but you know what I mean. How much football have people on here watched and written about over many years, yet plenty of them just don't seem to understand that young players may look really promising initially, then just not develop. Their development spurt happened between 14 and 19, it happens loads, in most cases actually, yet we still see utter nonsense like Mozzer has stayed. Leave the kid alone, let him develop and mature. Give him encouragement and compliments, but hyping young players doesn't help in my opinion, and we see it constantly. Look at poor Reindorf, god knows how he must be feeling after his experience at Bristol Rovers.

I tend to agree, I can think of a few youth team wonderkids who were basically just more physically developed and were nothing special when others caught up to them. Though I think Mozzer may be right in that there would be interest in Lawlor specifically (some was reported fairly recently), but if there were we'd get about 10k out of it.

I was never as high on Reindorf as some others for that reason, I can understand people liking his intensity when we'd been watching Kanga play and he does have some physical attributes, but he had 0 finesse on the ball. I've never really been a fan of us bringing in youngsters released by clubs of a similar stature to ourselves, you need to ask why he didn't make it at Norwich, but that's a separate point

I think what we've seen in football over the past few years is an unhealthy hoovering up of talent which has lead to fans clinging on to the lads that stay. Its always happened to some extent but now its gone into overdrive, you've got Man City signing 14 year olds for millions of pounds and people claiming he's the next Messi. Nobody can tell if a 14 year old will make it as a pro, never mind at the highest level. Tie it in with the rise of social media and all of a sudden you've got people debating the merits of children as footballers (I admit as someone who takes an interest in our under 21 side this is a tad hypocritical, but I've never been interested in much that goes on below that! :hehe:). Take that hoovering up of talent and add it to the generally more physically demanding nature of the game favouring young players then all of a sudden you have huge demands and pressure being placed on players years before they hit their traditional peak years, many before they've even finished developing physically

[City123]

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Guessing Ralls is staying

https://x.com/Joe_Ralls/status/1921203804562739616

[Tuerto]

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I don't understand the Joel Colwill hype, he's done even less than Rubin

You're a brave man.......... :hehe:

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Guessing Ralls is staying

https://x.com/Joe_Ralls/status/1921203804562739616

Good :ayatollah:

I like Ralls, that's my analysis

[LA Bluebird]

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I tend to agree, I can think of a few youth team wonderkids who were basically just more physically developed and were nothing special when others caught up to them. Though I think Mozzer may be right in that there would be interest in Lawlor specifically (some was reported fairly recently), but if there were we'd get about 10k out of it.

I was never as high on Reindorf as some others for that reason, I can understand people liking his intensity when we'd been watching Kanga play and he does have some physical attributes, but he had 0 finesse on the ball. I've never really been a fan of us bringing in youngsters released by clubs of a similar stature to ourselves, you need to ask why he didn't make it at Norwich, but that's a separate point

I think what we've seen in football over the past few years is an unhealthy hoovering up of talent which has lead to fans clinging on to the lads that stay. Its always happened to some extent but now its gone into overdrive, you've got Man City signing 14 year olds for millions of pounds and people claiming he's the next Messi. Nobody can tell if a 14 year old will make it as a pro, never mind at the highest level. Tie it in with the rise of social media and all of a sudden you've got people debating the merits of children as footballers (I admit as someone who takes an interest in our under 21 side this is a tad hypocritical, but I've never been interested in much that goes on below that! :hehe:). Take that hoovering up of talent and add it to the generally more physically demanding nature of the game favouring young players then all of a sudden you have huge demands and pressure being placed on players years before they hit their traditional peak years, many before they've even finished developing physically

Think you make a lot of good points here, probably not a debate for this thread and we've done it to death before but makes you ask what is the point of an academy at our level. Tan has put millions in and when any of the most promising players get hoovered up for peanuts by the big clubs it can't be a good investment.

And I personally want to see as many young Welsh players in the team as possible, but I just can't see how the academy benefits us right now. All we are doing is hope a few slip through the net that are late bloomers because if they were really good at 15/16 they wouldn't be with us any more. Of course our scouting and transfer committee is also shite which compounds the problem because the players we sign externally from the club are mostly crap too.