FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

[Undercoverinwurzelland]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Am I right in thinking that a big win against Liechtenstein (7-0) and we only need to draw against North Macedonia?
(It's unlikely, obviously.)

[Pearcey3]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Could that possibly be because the defenders the manager has at his disposal are mediocre at best?

According to the commentary, Bellamy was going to select a 19 year-old who is playing in League One if he hadnÂ’t got injured in training. And thatÂ’s to play against the likes of De Bruyne, Doku and Trossard. That should put things in perspective.

Rodon, Ampadu and Neko Williams are PL regulars. Ben Davies is vastly experienced at PL. So it's not like they are lower League level. We seem so easy to play against. So easy to open up.

[Hilts]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Nah Ashley. Ben Davies didn't do really well v Doku.😂

[blue sky]

Re: WALES v BELGIUM. Match thread

We'd lost the game even before we took to the pitch. Harris?? Why??? He hadn't scored in 14 appearances before tonight. So why make him our main striker for this massive game? Why not play Brennan J as our main striker? He always looked pretty good is this role,, the few times I saw him play in this position for Forest. Why not Broadhead? I'd even prefer Isaac Davies up there instead of Mr Bang Average Harris. Davies at least has the speed to take on defenders and with a good eye for goal too. Also Darlow! He's no bloody good. He should stick to running an estate agents.

I agree. BJ has scored 26 Premier League goals in 113 appearances whereas MH has scored 15 Championship goals in 138 appearances. BJ scored 16 Championship goals in 59 appearances. He is a proven goalscorer at the highest level - 6 international goals, whereas MH is an unproven goalscorer even at a lower level.

It just doesn’t make sense.

[Pearcey3]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Well, enough people were lapping it up only a few months back. He's still learning, and that's not a defence of him, i don't particularly like Bellamy, but in fairness to him he's been brave and when it's worked people on here have praised him to the hilt. Nothing much has changed in terms of tactics and playing style, we just don't have the quality against much better opposition, we don't have the concentration levels. I don't think that we were that bad this evening, The final two goals were poor to give away.

The first pen was unlucky. The following three goals were dreadful ones to concede.
The squad isn't great but we have as many PL players now as we have ever had.
It's the manner of the goals we are losing that grates.

[Pearcey3]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Nah Ashley. Ben Davies didn't do really well v Doku.😂

😆

[Heathblue]

Re: WALES v BELGIUM. Match thread

Harsh. They haven’t played too badly, but this squad of players just isn’t good enough.

I dont think so, at this level players must be at it 100% switched on every single minute, Bellamy chose to take Brooks off and left James on, neither did that much, James the lost the ball for their 2nd goal and went for the ball in the penalty area, Macedonia didn't concede the other day and we shipped 4 at home, the pedestrian back 4 passing with our midfield static standing next to their players offering no out ball, Ben Davies cantering over to Docku giving him time to have a pie and a pint before passing it, Thomas at the end admiring Trossard and watching him slide it home it's just not good enough if we were to be serious contenders to win the game, the ref never did us any favours but IMO we contributed more to our defeat than the ref, both were pens under the modern game so no complaints there. Docku is a marvelous player and offers a serious threat but him aside i dont think this is a great Belgium side De-Bryne isn't what he was, but he's always looking at breaking into the box like he was continually doing tonight, it was if we had never seen him do this before, I thought we were just poor from manager through the players, our 2nd goal was nice however. it seems we are getting poorer under Bellamy or the better opposition is finding it easier to expose us knowing we will just pass it square, back, square back and sideways at a lethargic pace.

[Tuerto]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Rodon, Ampadu and Neko Williams are PL regulars. Ben Davies is vastly experienced at PL. So it's not like they are lower League level. We seem so easy to play against. So easy to open up.

Bellamy wont sit in against any team. Two banks of nothing, it's not his way. He takes teams on. Personally i don't mind it, it makes for an entertaining game.

[Hilts]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

All the summarisers are worse than the players. It's not an achievement to have Belgium sit and counter when you ship 4 and could easily have conceded a few more.

[The Lone Gunman]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Rodon, Ampadu and Neko Williams are PL regulars. Ben Davies is vastly experienced at PL. So it's not like they are lower League level. We seem so easy to play against. So easy to open up.

Rodon and Ampadu were playing in the Championship earlier this year. Their side currently sits 15th in the Premier League. Williams’ side is currently 17th. Cabango is a Championship player. Meanwhile, veteran Davies hasn’t played a single minute for Spurs this season in any competition.

That’s not a strong defence by any stretch of the imagination.

[Wales-Bales]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Well, enough people were lapping it up only a few months back. He's still learning, and that's not a defence of him, i don't particularly like Bellamy, but in fairness to him he's been brave and when it's worked people on here have praised him to the hilt. Nothing much has changed in terms of tactics and playing style, we just don't have the quality against much better opposition, we don't have the concentration levels. I don't think that we were that bad this evening, The final two goals were poor to give away.

I think other teams have worked us out and we don't have any countermeasures.

[Hilts]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

I think other teams have worked us out and we don't have any countermeasures.

I think we have just come up against better teams.

[Pearcey3]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Rodon and Ampadu were playing in the Championship earlier this year. Their side currently sits 15th in the Premier League. WilliamsÂ’ side is currently 17th. Cabango is a Championship player. Meanwhile, veteran Davies hasnÂ’t played a single minute for Spurs this season in any competition.

ThatÂ’s not a strong defence by any stretch of the imagination.

By historical standards that's not bad. Our most successful side that reached the semi finals of the Euros had a Championship full back in Chris Gunter and James Chester who rarely started for West Brom! They were both starters in that Welsh side as was Wayne Hennessey who wasn't getting much game time either.

[Pearcey3]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

Bellamy wont sit in against any team. Two banks of nothing, it's not his way. He takes teams on. Personally i don't mind it, it makes for an entertaining game.

Yes I think that's fair but I think we need to be more pragmatic against the better sides.

[Tuerto]

Re: FT: WALES 2 - 4 BELGIUM. Match thread

I think other teams have worked us out and we don't have any countermeasures.

Probably, and Bellamy wont deviate from the way he sets out to play, he doesn't seem to react to scorelines or passages pf play. It will either make him or break him.