Traditional 9

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Interesting. So what does it mean? What is your understanding? It's a genuine question, because I'm genuinely uncertain that Kellyman is a false 9 as he leads the press.

In the ost basic form, it's a striker who drops deep of the main defenders, into midfield, in order to receive the ball and set up an attack from a deeper position. So sort of attacking the box in a less conventional manner than a traditional 9. That's my understanding, it could well be wrong, or there may be more to add to it. I'm not sure that this may have been happening years ago with some players in the 9 position but it was never given a title.

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In the ost basic form, it's a striker who drops deep of the main defenders, into midfield, in order to receive the ball and set up an attack from a deeper position. So sort of attacking the box in a less conventional manner than a traditional 9. That's my understanding, it could well be wrong, or there may be more to add to it. I'm not sure that this may have been happening years ago with some players in the 9 position but it was never given a title.

And to add. you have seen kellyman play a lot more than me, so you'll be more qualified to say whether or not he plays as a 'False 9'

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Interesting. So what does it mean? What is your understanding? It's a genuine question, because I'm genuinely uncertain that Kellyman is a false 9 as he leads the press.

I think the modern 'false 9' isn't a forward as such, unlike the deep-lying centre forward role 'invented' by Don Revie whilst playing for Man City in the 1950's, ......

The "Revie Plan": Similar to the Hungarian striker Nándor Hidegkuti, Revie played as a withdrawn striker, dropping back into midfield to receive the ball rather than staying alongside the inside forwards in the traditional 'WM' formation.
Purpose: This role was designed to pull opposing centre-halves out of position, create space for wingers, and act as a midfield schemer to control the game

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I've not seen BBW call Kellyman's role a false 9. So, is it? And what exactly does it mean? Would Kane be considered a false 9?

the striker drops deep to collect the ball and link with midfield. it opens up play...the defenders have to decide whether to stay put leaving space for the 9 to play in front of them or to go with the 9 leaving space behind them.

Messi was a false 9.

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Right ! Now we've sorted that out can somebody tell me what this 'number 10' is that commentators don't stop talking about. It was an inside left in the olden days..

[North Cardiff Blue]

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Right ! Now we've sorted that out can somebody tell me what this 'number 10' is that commentators don't stop talking about. It was an inside left in the olden days..

10 – The Playmaker / Attacking Midfielder

Traditionally, the creative hub of the team.

Links midfield to attack.

Tasks: create scoring chances, make key passes, unlock defences, and often chip in with goals.

[splott parker]

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10 – The Playmaker / Attacking Midfielder

Traditionally, the creative hub of the team.

Links midfield to attack.

Tasks: create scoring chances, make key passes, unlock defences, and often chip in with goals.

What about no.3s, no.4s, no.7s etc, not to mention no.2s? Just go back to calling them the correct name for their position. No need to bugger about with a simple game.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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For me it's just his physicality. He's generally slow, and for someone 6'5" he doesn't get off the ground, and he isn't that good with the ball at his feet. Moves tend to end when he receives the ball. There will no doubt be games away from home when the likes of Kellyman would be lightweight and get bullied, so a Keiffer Moore, type would always be an asset. I think my ambivalence towards him has also been swayed by the over-the-top media comments, calling him the clubs 'crown jewel ' etc. If he comes back and bangs in another 10 goals good for him.

Salech doesn't "get off the ground" as he uses his size to pin centre backs. He gets off the ground to win headers in the 6 yard box.

For what it's worth, I think Kellyman will go on to have a better career than Salech but Salech is a better goalscorer and comes alive in the box, and Kellyman doesn't (yet). I'd love to keep Kellyman and I think he's going to end up in the PL side but Salech is very, very good at what he's good at.

[Rjk]

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Salech doesn't "get off the ground" as he uses his size to pin centre backs. He gets off the ground to win headers in the 6 yard box.

For what it's worth, I think Kellyman will go on to have a better career than Salech but Salech is a better goalscorer and comes alive in the box, and Kellyman doesn't (yet). I'd love to keep Kellyman and I think he's going to end up in the PL side but Salech is very, very good at what he's good at.

Salech's all round game is also improving throughout the season - he was always a handful for defenders and a threat in the box, but he's also getting better at holding the ball up and bringing others into play.

There have been games that he's missed chances for sure, but I don't think I can remember any where he's just been completely quiet and subdued - I doubt any of the centre backs he's faced would relish facing him again.

[Razor Lad]

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BBM worked at Man City when Pep used false 9s and would have been there when Haaland came in as an out and out 9. He would have worked the kids under both systems. Therefore he has now developed both systems at Cardiff. He now has a choice with the players able to adapt to both when needed so. This gives us a huge advantage against teams who are rigid , like most are in L1.
The Championship will be the Litmus test .
Salech is very important to us in this evolution, and BBM will use him a lot but he will no longer be a shoe in starter every game.

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What about no.3s, no.4s, no.7s etc, not to mention no.2s? Just go back to calling them the correct name for their position. No need to bugger about with a simple game.

The young un’s haven’t heard of left half,(Barrie Hole), right half, (Graham Williams), inside left (the new 10, Ivor Allchurch), oh for the old days

[A Quiet Monkfish]

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Salech doesn't "get off the ground" as he uses his size to pin centre backs. He gets off the ground to win headers in the 6 yard box.

For what it's worth, I think Kellyman will go on to have a better career than Salech but Salech is a better goalscorer and comes alive in the box, and Kellyman doesn't (yet). I'd love to keep Kellyman and I think he's going to end up in the PL side but Salech is very, very good at what he's good at.

Fair enough, I've never doubted his effort and strength, and he certainly has a lot more to his game than he did 12 moths ago, but do you think BBM would have wanted Salech if he was manager when we signed him ?

[Garth Blue]

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And to add. you have seen kellyman play a lot more than me, so you'll be more qualified to say whether or not he plays as a 'False 9'

TBH it's hard to say. He does occasionally drop deep. Yet he also leads the line when we press. He is certainly not in the same mold as Salech, who leads the line in more of a traditional sense. After Salech's injury, I thought we would struggle without a similar profile striker but to date I've been proved wrong. Maybe League 1 centre backs enjoy the "fight" but a less comfortable with a more mobile and cleverer opponent.

[North Cardiff Blue]

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TBH it's hard to say. He does occasionally drop deep. Yet he also leads the line when we press. He is certainly not in the same mold as Salech, who leads the line in more of a traditional sense. After Salech's injury, I thought we would struggle without a similar profile striker but to date I've been proved wrong. Maybe League 1 centre backs enjoy the "fight" but a less comfortable with a more mobile and cleverer opponent.

You are right there, they got away with just grabbing Salech, when they try it with Kellyman, we get a lot more of the free kicks.

[Pedro de la Rosa]

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Fair enough, I've never doubted his effort and strength, and he certainly has a lot more to his game than he did 12 moths ago, but do you think BBM would have wanted Salech if he was manager when we signed him ?

Yes. Pep signed Haaland. Salech's a monster and on his day can take both centre halves out of the game and scores striker's goals. He's got 20 in 46 games for us, he's quite literally a 20 goal a season striker and they don't grow on trees