James Collins - England

[StraightOuttaCanton]

https://nation.cymru/news/welsh-fans-want-england-to-win-euro-2020-says-ex-wales-international-james-collins/

He’s let us down here Grangetown Blue!

[Punxsutawney Phil]

Re: James Collins - England

I think there's an element of truth in this though. I watched the Germany game in the Church Inn in Llanishen and the cheers that went up for England goals and the end of the game were pretty loud! There was nearly a fight between two guys over why the one was supporting Germany.

Don't get me wrong the last thing I want to see is them winning the thing, but it's mainly because how over the top the "British" media will be

[Der Kaiser]

Re: James Collins - England

Jonathan Davies tweeted similar to what Collins said here, and took a leathering for being anti-English rugby but pro-English football which is about as classic a Welsh rugby fan move as possible. At least be consistent.


Btw Welsh people who don't like England at football or rugby but will happily cheer them on in cricket, give your heads a wobble. The blatant disrespect they show wales, is a joke.

[Trigger]

Re: James Collins - England

Well I'm with James here, and I know some who have supported them, particularly when Wales never made these tournaments. I also know plenty that seem almost pre occupied by them wanting nothing but failure for England.

I also know many people who couldn't give a monkeys either way.

Probably the most bizarre kind are those who say we and us whilst declaring their love for Liverpool and co but then say they hate England and want them to lose.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Re: James Collins - England

Collins and Davies (I think to a lesser extent) have lived and worked in England for years so there's bound to be some attachment.

[jon1959]

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Collins and Davies (I think to a lesser extent) have lived and worked in England for years so there's bound to be some attachment.

I'm not sure that follows. I have lived and worked in England most of my life and I have never supported England. In most sports I am neutral when England play, but when it comes to football (and to a lesser extent rugby union) I have got so sick of many of their fans and media that I slip into the ABE camp. It is usually light-hearted and based on banter at work and with my partner's family (Coventry), but constant exposure to 'Little Engerlanders' can produce anything but attachment. They are also the source of the rare but real examples of ant-Welsh abuse or prejudice I have experienced on this side of the border.

[Bluebirdman Of Alcathays]

Re: James Collins - England

I'm not sure that follows. I have lived and worked in England most of my life and I have never supported England. In most sports I am neutral when England play, but when it comes to football (and to a lesser extent rugby union) I have got so sick of many of their fans and media that I slip into the ABE camp. It is usually light-hearted and based on banter at work and with my partner's family (Coventry), but constant exposure to 'Little Engerlanders' can produce anything but attachment. They are also the source of the rare but real examples of ant-Welsh abuse or prejudice I have experienced on this side of the border.

Okay, not "bound to be" then, but I don't think it's unreasonable for someone to get swept along by their adopted nation, even against the evidence you highlight. Perhaps Collins and Davies are little Britishers?

[The Bloop]

Re: James Collins - England

I think there's an element of truth in this though. I watched the Germany game in the Church Inn in Llanishen and the cheers that went up for England goals and the end of the game were pretty loud! There was nearly a fight between two guys over why the one was supporting Germany.

Don't get me wrong the last thing I want to see is them winning the thing, but it's mainly because how over the top the "British" media will be

I remember a similar experience during the 86 World Cup. England were in danger of going out in the group stages and had to beat Poland in their final game. Went to the Church Inn hoping to be amongst plenty of people wishing Poland well. Lineker scores a hat-trick and more than 90% of the punters were euphoric.

[Harry Paget Flashman]

Re: James Collins - England

Jonathan Davies tweeted similar to what Collins said here, and took a leathering for being anti-English rugby but pro-English football which is about as classic a Welsh rugby fan move as possible. At least be consistent.


Btw Welsh people who don't like England at football or rugby but will happily cheer them on in cricket, give your heads a wobble. The blatant disrespect they show wales, is a joke.

I wan't them to lose at everything.

Rugby, football, cricket, the Olympics, British Lions.

[life on mars]

Re: James Collins - England

Well I'm with James here, and I know some who have supported them, particularly when Wales never made these tournaments. I also know plenty that seem almost pre occupied by them wanting nothing but failure for England.

I also know many people who couldn't give a monkeys either way.

Probably the most bizarre kind are those who say we and us whilst declaring their love for Liverpool and co but then say they hate England and want them to lose.

And me .

I watched Wales triumphs in 2016 via the English media and was well impressed with their commitment to our cause , and when it comes to Rugby they are equally complementary.

I also know a lot of folk in England who always cheer Wales on .

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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And me .

I watched Wales triumphs in 2016 via the English media and was well impressed with their commitment to our cause , and when it comes to Rugby they are equally complementary.

I also know a lot of folk in England who always cheer Wales on .

My English colleagues were genuinely shocked when I told them I was supporting whoever England was playing as they were cheering Wales on.

[Shrewsbury Blue]

Re: James Collins - England

I think there's an element of truth in this though. I watched the Germany game in the Church Inn in Llanishen and the cheers that went up for England goals and the end of the game were pretty loud! There was nearly a fight between two guys over why the one was supporting Germany.

Don't get me wrong the last thing I want to see is them winning the thing, but it's mainly because how over the top the "British" media will be

That would be opposed to the calm measured almost indifferent approach the media in Brazil Germany Italy etc take to their national team winning tournaments.

[blue matt]

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Collins and Davies (I think to a lesser extent) have lived and worked in England for years so there's bound to be some attachment.

Ive said it before, move out of / away from Wales and the " chip on your shoulder " appears to diminish

Ive also said before when We ( Wales ) were doing well in the Euro 16's, alot of people i knew were supporting Wales

[Harry Paget Flashman]

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Ive said it before, move out of / away from Wales and the " chip on your shoulder " appears to diminish

Ive also said before when We ( Wales ) were doing well in the Euro 16's, alot of people i knew were supporting Wales

Why does not supporting England equate to having a chip on your shoulder.

[Trigger]

Re: James Collins - England

Why does not supporting England equate to having a chip on your shoulder.

He probably means when you go out of your way to support whoever they play. In your case in any sport including tiddly winks and dwarf wrestling.

I get if someone isn't English, has no connection there and doesn't care either way, but the commitment to want nothing but failure for them I've never understood.