James Collins - England

[Divine Wright]

Re: James Collins - England

I'd prefer to see the Jacks winning the premier league, especially if their team had a number of welsh lads.... and I dont like them very much at all.

Unlike many on here who claim the english premier league is boring, I enjoy watching it.... I don't begrudge Mount or Henderson winning the champions league either.

When it comes to their international team it wouldn't hurt me if they won it (nothing like losing the Denmark game) but I can help but feel life would be better if they didn't.

If they did win it, it shouldn't come as a shock considering they probably have one of the richest FA's in the game who have invested big time in a country with one of the bigger populations in Europe.

[Divine Wright]

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Indeed. And it happens in most other countries, of course. The media need a story either way.

I don't think it does happen to the same extent in other countries. I was listening to the Euro leagues podcast and Guillem Balague and Julien Laurens were commenting on the extent to which people in England are the only people who talk about a final before they had even got beyond the quarters......they mentioned how arrogant the "coming home" chant is...........I was thinking " Finally, someone else understands!! It's not the chip on the shoulder after all and they actually ARE unbearable".

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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I don't think it does happen to the same extent in other countries. I was listening to the Euro leagues podcast and Guillem Balague and Julien Laurens were commenting on the extent to which people in England are the only people who talk about a final before they had even got beyond the quarters......they mentioned how arrogant the "coming home" chant is...........I was thinking " Finally, someone else understands!! It's not the chip on the shoulder after all and they actually ARE unbearable".

Well I have lived in England for over 40 years and I can't say that I have usually heard much talk about England being in a final at such an early stage of a competition. And the ditty to which you refer is a light-hearted aspirational song penned by a couple of chaps and reflects an historical link that England has with the game. Some people on here think that the English are two-headed monsters and have unique, negatives attributes that do not exist elsewhere.

[Divine Wright]

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Well I have lived in England for over 40 years and I can't say that I have usually heard much talk about England being in a final at such an early stage of a competition. And the ditty to which you refer is a light-hearted aspirational song penned by a couple of chaps and reflects an historical link that England has with the game. Some people on here think that the English are two-headed monsters and have unique, negatives attributes that do not exist elsewhere.

Not only some people on here it seems but those from other countries without any ties to England think they are two-headed monsters as you so melodramatically put it. The ditty is fine, it's just taken to another level when chanted in a football stadium by people dressed as english crusaders. Again, not just me or other petty welshmen who think that. I do realise there are perfectly humble england supporters btw. I don't feel any ill-will towards them.

[surge]

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Well I have lived in England for over 40 years and I can't say that I have usually heard much talk about England being in a final at such an early stage of a competition. And the ditty to which you refer is a light-hearted aspirational song penned by a couple of chaps and reflects an historical link that England has with the game. Some people on here think that the English are two-headed monsters and have unique, negatives attributes that do not exist elsewhere.

If Luka Modric, Guillem Balague and Julien Laurens are saying they find the singing of that song arrogant then even if not written with that in mind it could mean it's sung in an arrogant way.

Hard not to find Jenas' commentary at 1-0 to England far too dismissive of Ukraine's chances. Although, this year majority of English press has been almost afraid to speak up their chances so, up until Germany result, the arrogance had gone.

I think it's interesting to see online reaction to Gunter's instagram post. In Wales there was recognition of it being how we felt and being accurate but even some of the most even-handed of twitter English fans were quite negative about it, felt it was sour grapes and were quite mocking. If this is your only experience of an England football fan then can see why some are more negative, but no need to see English football fans as one two-headed monster.

[Wash DC Blue]

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If Luka Modric, Guillem Balague and Julien Laurens are saying they find the singing of that song arrogant then even if not written with that in mind it could mean it's sung in an arrogant way.

Hard not to find Jenas' commentary at 1-0 to England far too dismissive of Ukraine's chances. Although, this year majority of English press has been almost afraid to speak up their chances so, up until Germany result, the arrogance had gone.

I think it's interesting to see online reaction to Gunter's instagram post. In Wales there was recognition of it being how we felt and being accurate but even some of the most even-handed of twitter English fans were quite negative about it, felt it was sour grapes and were quite mocking. If this is your only experience of an England football fan then can see why some are more negative, but no need to see English football fans as one two-headed monster.

Keep talking Mate.
It’s going make the fckers winning it less painful to me.

It’s going to happen this year.
We all know it...
Time to start the * campaign.
2020 not 21 home games, terrible format, Covid, Banned Welsh Fans, Denmark missing Erickson, Italy’s left back getting injured.

#startthe*

[Taunton Blue Genie]

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If Luka Modric, Guillem Balague and Julien Laurens are saying they find the singing of that song arrogant then even if not written with that in mind it could mean it's sung in an arrogant way.

Hard not to find Jenas' commentary at 1-0 to England far too dismissive of Ukraine's chances. Although, this year majority of English press has been almost afraid to speak up their chances so, up until Germany result, the arrogance had gone.

I think it's interesting to see online reaction to Gunter's instagram post. In Wales there was recognition of it being how we felt and being accurate but even some of the most even-handed of twitter English fans were quite negative about it, felt it was sour grapes and were quite mocking. If this is your only experience of an England football fan then can see why some are more negative, but no need to see English football fans as one two-headed monster.

I have mentioned on here myself about the patronising remarks made by English-speaking commentators and why I sometimes tune into broadcasts of the games in German for a more fair-minded perspective. However, bearing a grudge against the England team and their fans as a whole due to some people in the media and on Twitter seems to be a case of misdirection, in my opinion.
Similarly, I don't like being judged by any knuckle-dragging behaviour of people who support the same club as me.
Most football fans are not bigoted idiots even if the latter make the greatest noise.

[the other bob wilson]

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I can't get too worked up about this subject. Surely the truth has to be that there are plenty of Welsh people who wanted England to win last night and will hope that they end up lifting the trophy? On the other hand, it has to be wrong for James Collins or anyone else for that matter to claim they are speaking for our country when they say they want England to win for the simple reason that they do not speak for at least one Welsh person - me!

As a confirmed member of the anyone but England club, I look back and to try to understand why I'm like I am. Some of it is quite pathetic really - I can remember loving it so much in 1973 when Poland knocked England out of the World Cup 1974 by topping their qualifying group, for no other reason than it shoved the arrogant, entitled and disparaging (when it came to the Poles) words of Brian Clough and Malcolm Allison (two men I had a lot of time for in the main) down their throats.

I shouldn't have let something like that form my opinion to such an extent, but it did - although I would say that my anyone but England feelings back then were more along the lines of the sort of good natured joshing you get between rival football fans.

I know the exact time and place where my feelings crystalised into something more serious - Twickenham car park after the England v Wales match in 1980 (the Paul Ringer game). What I saw after that match, which England won 9-8 with a very late penalty to make it three of them to our two tries really took me aback - it was pure hatred of the Welsh team and, by implication, Wales. It wasn't the odd one or two either, there were hundreds of them - now, I'm sensible enough to know that what I saw that day did not represent the views of most English men/women, but I'd also say that what I saw that day was proof that the sort of attitude some have mentioned in this thread is not just limited to the likes of Tommy Robinson.

[Vindec]

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Given that the vast majority of Cardiff City players are not Welsh, and most probably English, I find it difficult to understand the anti English bias by some on this forum on this forum. If Cardiff City with no Welsh players played Swansea City with 4 Welsh players would we all support Swansea City? Of course not.

[Taunton Blue Genie]

Re: James Collins - England

You will be pleased to hear that my word bag is now empty regarding this subject matter. I'm off to lead a walk in the thunder, lightning and rain in the Quantocks....

[life on mars]

Re: James Collins - England

I was cheering with James Collins last night , big on him to say it, perhaps he should have worded it a bit differently by saying something like a lot of Welsh fans will be cheering England on now Wales are out ..

I do think we should rise above this hatred crap .

[chrisp_1927]

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I'd be quite happy to see them win. Mind you, if they do lose im going to take great delight in winding up every English person I know

[Allez Allez Allez]

Re: James Collins - England

I was cheering with James Collins last night , big on him to say it, perhaps he should have worded it a bit differently by saying something like a lot of Welsh fans will be cheering England on now Wales are out ..

I do think we should rise above this hatred crap .

England is as foreign a country to me as Ukraine.

[Trigger]

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England is as foreign a country to me as Ukraine.

Well if you live in the UK or have ever lived in the UK that's pretty much impossible.

[Allez Allez Allez]

Re: James Collins - England

Well if you live in the UK or have ever lived in the UK that's pretty much impossible.

How so?